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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Midknightsun" data-source="post: 3247427" data-attributes="member: 46459">Stupid would definitely get a character killed in my campaign.  Fortunately (or unfortunately  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> ) this doesn't happen often.I've been running an Arcana Evolved campaign for over a year now and there have been no PC deaths as of yet.  That comes in no small part from the tactical effectiveness of one of our players.  He's, frankly, amazing at grid tactics, never leaving himself vulnerable unless there's no other choice.  It doesn't hurt that his character is powergamed to cover all of his weaknesses, (though he'd vehemently deny it).disclaimer-- not that I have anything against powergaming, but he does, which makes it all too ironic.I've brought up the possibility of character death several times with this group, and they all seem understanding of the fact that it can happen.  It sucks, but it can happen.  Since I have this same kinda mentality it works out pretty well . . . or at least it should.  The few times I've pulled out harsh tactics (sundering weapons, powerful enemies with high ACs,) or near kills (I've knocked pretty much all of the party memebers down into negative BUT him at least once), the Tactician has gotten mopey and all but accused me of being unfair, of singling him out, and makes snide comments.  He gets unnaturally attached to his characters and whines if he feels he's 'underpowered'-- meaning I might have actually knocked him below half hit points . .   I've even pulled a few punches because I was afraid of how he would react.  He's my friend, so it is a bit of a sticky situation.  And despite that, he is a good player (yes, its hard to explain)It baffles my mind, though, that people can have such a hang up about their character's getting killed.  I understand liking a character you've made, but after a certain point it seems to cry of a person whose own life sucks so much that they need to feel invulnerable in the game to compensate.  That's when its time to put the books down and look into some therapy, IMHO . . .but I digress.   Now, if the DM was being completely unfair that's one thing, but all the feedback I've gotten would indicate that I'm quite fair with them.Now they're an average of 11th level party with 6 members and are all tough customers, so I've had to up the dangers to compensate.  (A couple higher than normal hit dice Rage Drakes put the fear of gods into them  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> ).  I'm of the mind of "let the dice fall where they may" at this point, and even start rolling in clear view of my players.  I don't go out of my way to destroy the PCs, but if there is no real and genuine threat of death (at least in many of the adventures), then what's the point?As far as coming back, I would generally enforce the level loss, or if they want to bring in a new character, or tweak a current one, that's fine.  Sometimes we get tired of a particular concept and want to try something new.  I've done it before myself as a player (My poor Soulknife just got deaded so much it got annoying, and we seemed to be encountering an unusual number of undead and constructs . . . )  Of course, they're are exceptions to this, such as when I suspect a player may be purposely trying to manipulate the rules.</blockquote>

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