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<blockquote data-quote="Chimera" data-source="post: 3552972" data-attributes="member: 2002">Oh yeah.&nbsp; As Player and as GM.It's tough when you're a player and the other person has spent more time in the group, or is personal friends with people who, even though they know and admit how much of a (insert expletive here) the person is, they are too uncomfortable with the idea of not gaming with that person anymore.&nbsp; (But he's a friend!&nbsp; I can't do that!)&nbsp; That's the &quot;Friends before the Game mentality&quot; that says that your friendship is more important than the game, therefore you have to endure the crap in order to maintain the friendship.Now, I'm not necessarily saying that's wrong, because I've done it myself and you have to do what is right for you.&nbsp; But I've also been on the end where the crap gets so deep that you end up cleaning house on both sides.&nbsp; (&quot;Sorry Bruce, but I can't game with you anymore.&quot;&nbsp; &quot;Fine, then we're not friends anymore.&quot;&nbsp; &quot;Yeah, been meaning to talk to you about that....&nbsp; you're right, we're not friends anymore either.&quot;)The absolute worst was a group where everyone hated a particular player and the GM had been talking about giving the guy the boot.&nbsp; He was very unpleasant to interact with and openly cheated at the table.&nbsp; When the guy left &quot;temporarily&quot; for a couple of months due to RL concerns, everyone rejoiced and said that he'd never be allowed back.&nbsp; Then all of a sudden he came back!&nbsp; I asked about it and everyone just kind of looked away and made sheepish excuses for it.&nbsp; WTF???</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chimera, post: 3552972, member: 2002"] Oh yeah. As Player and as GM. It's tough when you're a player and the other person has spent more time in the group, or is personal friends with people who, even though they know and admit how much of a (insert expletive here) the person is, they are too uncomfortable with the idea of not gaming with that person anymore. ([I]But he's a friend! I can't do that![/I]) That's the "Friends before the Game mentality" that says that your friendship is more important than the game, therefore you have to endure the crap in order to maintain the friendship. Now, I'm not necessarily saying that's wrong, because I've done it myself and you have to do what is right for you. But I've also been on the end where the crap gets so deep that you end up cleaning house on both sides. ("Sorry Bruce, but I can't game with you anymore." "Fine, then we're not friends anymore." "Yeah, been meaning to talk to you about that.... you're right, we're not friends anymore either.") The absolute worst was a group where everyone hated a particular player and the GM had been talking about giving the guy the boot. He was very unpleasant to interact with and openly cheated at the table. When the guy left "temporarily" for a couple of months due to RL concerns, everyone rejoiced and said that he'd never be allowed back. Then all of a sudden he came back! I asked about it and everyone just kind of looked away and made sheepish excuses for it. WTF??? [/QUOTE]

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