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<blockquote data-quote="Kaji" data-source="post: 612559" data-attributes="member: 7738">My players get torced at me all the time, but that's 'cause they play like hamstrung midgets in pyjamas. These folks have been playing D&amp;D for like 20 years, and they constantly do insane things. The motto is almost always &quot;Kill Everything&quot; and &quot;Charge&quot;. The second a sane voice pops up you hear cries of &quot;Pansy!&quot; and &quot;Coward!&quot;. They're nuts, I tell you. I kill them ALL THE TIME, and I'm not really that kind of DM, I just can't think of how they'll avoid the most recent insanity. &quot;Example?&quot;, you say?Party of 7th level characters is sent by local church boss to the mountains to look for Frost Giants 'cause he thinks they're up to no good. I warn party in advance via metagaming that Frost Giants are very tough, and that I anticipate a lot of run and retreat. I figure they can take 1 or 2 and then have to pull back. Sure enough, they kill 2 and it goes pretty well, but they've used up a lot of their good spells to make it happen. So, rather than withdraw, they surge forward. Meet like 3 more giants in one room. It's time to withdraw. And someone in the party is saying, &quot;Let's withdraw&quot; and someone agrees, and the next thing you know they've all rushed into the room and are fighting Frost Giants. Who sound the alarm. Which brings more Frost Giants. Who then kill (-40 hp, I believe) a monk and a Paladin before the rest of the party is grabbing a thumb from each and running off. Just nuts...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kaji, post: 612559, member: 7738"] My players get torced at me all the time, but that's 'cause they play like hamstrung midgets in pyjamas. These folks have been playing D&D for like 20 years, and they constantly do insane things. The motto is almost always "Kill Everything" and "Charge". The second a sane voice pops up you hear cries of "Pansy!" and "Coward!". They're nuts, I tell you. I kill them ALL THE TIME, and I'm not really that kind of DM, I just can't think of how they'll avoid the most recent insanity. "Example?", you say? Party of 7th level characters is sent by local church boss to the mountains to look for Frost Giants 'cause he thinks they're up to no good. I warn party in advance via metagaming that Frost Giants are very tough, and that I anticipate a lot of run and retreat. I figure they can take 1 or 2 and then have to pull back. Sure enough, they kill 2 and it goes pretty well, but they've used up a lot of their good spells to make it happen. So, rather than withdraw, they surge forward. Meet like 3 more giants in one room. It's time to withdraw. And someone in the party is saying, "Let's withdraw" and someone agrees, and the next thing you know they've all rushed into the room and are fighting Frost Giants. Who sound the alarm. Which brings more Frost Giants. Who then kill (-40 hp, I believe) a monk and a Paladin before the rest of the party is grabbing a thumb from each and running off. Just nuts... [/QUOTE]

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