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<blockquote data-quote="RJSmalls" data-source="post: 717955" data-attributes="member: 8007">The subject line says it all.&nbsp; Ever since the group sorc picked up the 4th level spell Improved Invisibility it's changed the face of every battle we enter.&nbsp; I now find myself looking at what-would-have-been powerful opponents and seeing their lack of any see invisibility capability a game breaker.&nbsp; I use the suggested rules provided in the FAQ (I think) which basically let you make a spot and/or listen check (DC + 20) to accurately pinpoint an invisible target.&nbsp; Let's face it - if you don't have a supernatural or magical means (tremorsense, blindsight, see invisibility, etc.) you're at a severe disadvantage.&nbsp; Let me repeat the operative words: severe disadvantage.Again, I don't want to metagame against my party and now have every BBEG have some sort of see invisibility capability.&nbsp; Nor do I want to constantly turn the tables and throw a vast majority of opponents at the party who, in their own right, can go invisible (or fight effectively in darknessI).So how do you do it?&nbsp; Improved Invis. seems to me much like Haste in that it's a mandatory spell.&nbsp; The DMG has a brief paragraph for DM's when they're creating new spells/classes/items or whatever, and one of the key questions is: &quot;Is this thing so good that everyone will want to have it?&quot;I think that's clearly the case for Improved Invisibility.&nbsp; I don't really want to debate the power of the spell or whether it should remain 4th level.&nbsp; I just want to know if I can expect to see my PC's (currently average level 9-10) using this for the rest of the adventuring careers.Thanks,RJ</blockquote>

[QUOTE="RJSmalls, post: 717955, member: 8007"] The subject line says it all. Ever since the group sorc picked up the 4th level spell [i]Improved Invisibility[/i] it's changed the face of every battle we enter. I now find myself looking at what-would-have-been powerful opponents and seeing their lack of any [i]see invisibility[/i] capability a game breaker. I use the suggested rules provided in the FAQ (I think) which basically let you make a spot and/or listen check (DC + 20) to accurately pinpoint an invisible target. Let's face it - if you don't have a supernatural or magical means (tremorsense, blindsight, [i]see invisibility[/i], etc.) you're at a severe disadvantage. Let me repeat the operative words: [b] severe disadvantage.[/b] Again, I don't want to metagame against my party and now have every BBEG have some sort of [i]see invisibility[/i] capability. Nor do I want to constantly turn the tables and throw a vast majority of opponents at the party who, in their own right, can go invisible (or fight effectively in [i]darkness[/i]I). So how do you do it? Improved Invis. seems to me much like Haste in that it's a mandatory spell. The DMG has a brief paragraph for DM's when they're creating new spells/classes/items or whatever, and one of the key questions is: "Is this thing so good that everyone will want to have it?" I think that's clearly the case for [i]Improved Invisibility.[/i] I don't really want to debate the power of the spell or whether it should remain 4th level. I just want to know if I can expect to see my PC's (currently average level 9-10) using this for the rest of the adventuring careers. Thanks, RJ [/QUOTE]

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