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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8827253" data-attributes="member: 42582">I agree it's not commonly held. But the person arguing with me about 4e ( [USER=6747251]@Micah Sweet[/USER]) is also asserting that "extra attack", "extra damage" and the like are all parts of the fiction. Which strongly implies that hit points are all parts of the fiction.That creates a fiction so absurd I can't take it seriously. Hence why I follow Gygax's approach to attacks, hp and saving throws in his DMG. Which takes me back to 4e, which is the best-realised version of those ideas in my view: having a prior conception of what the fiction is meant to look like, and then configuring the mechanics so as to produce it.</blockquote>