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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 8827349" data-attributes="member: 29398">Ah.&nbsp; I thought you meant ritual-as-spell in the 5e sense.That's just it - in my view, in order to do this the NPC has to follow the same rules and guidelines as a PC, meaning it has to be of a spellcasting class in order to do this.&nbsp; Which class?&nbsp; That's an open question.&nbsp; But if it's a wizard then it works like a PC wizard, if it's a Cleric then it works like a PC Cleric, and if it's some brand new class that I've just dreamed up then its existence has just set a precedent that says I have to include that class in my game henceforth in case a player wants to play one.That would be extremely unsatisfying, in that by that wording the DM's telling me not to even bother looking for the answer - which of course means I'm going to try even harder to get one, as I've just been given a challenge.Quit adventuring?&nbsp; Hell, no.&nbsp; I'll try to talk the party into helping me with this! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />More seriously, I'm not saying the PCs are necessarily going to try and figure everything out.&nbsp; What I am saying is that the DM has to have it figured out behind the scenes in case the PCs do follow up on it.&nbsp; Further, the DM has to be consistent.&nbsp; If that spell is arcane then it's written down somewhere, even if that somewhere is in theory hella inaccessible, and the PCs have to be allowed to go looking for it if they so desire.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 8827349, member: 29398"] Ah. I thought you meant ritual-as-spell in the 5e sense. That's just it - in my view, in order to do this the NPC has to follow the same rules and guidelines as a PC, meaning it has to be of a spellcasting class in order to do this. Which class? That's an open question. But if it's a wizard then it works like a PC wizard, if it's a Cleric then it works like a PC Cleric, and if it's some brand new class that I've just dreamed up then its existence has just set a precedent that says I have to include that class in my game henceforth in case a player wants to play one. That would be extremely unsatisfying, in that by that wording the DM's telling me not to even bother looking for the answer - which of course means I'm going to try even harder to get one, as I've just been given a challenge. Quit adventuring? Hell, no. I'll try to talk the party into helping me with this! :) More seriously, I'm not saying the PCs are necessarily going to try and figure everything out. What I am saying is that the DM has to have it figured out behind the scenes in case the PCs do follow up on it. Further, the DM has to be consistent. If that spell is arcane then it's written down [I]somewhere[/I], even if that somewhere is in theory hella inaccessible, and the PCs have to be allowed to go looking for it if they so desire. [/QUOTE]

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