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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8828139" data-attributes="member: 22779">&quot;PC&quot; playable is a 3e invention.&nbsp; It didn't exist in 1e and didn't exist in 2e officially until pretty later on with things like the Complete Humanoid.&nbsp; And, even then, it was never presented as an expectation.&nbsp; An orc didn't gain character levels - he suddenly became treated as an ogre when he became chief.&nbsp; Now, I don't think that the intent was that an orc physically transformed into an ogre, despite using an ogre's stats upon becoming chief.&nbsp; It was purely a game mechanics method to differentiate a rank and file orc from an orc chieftain.How did that dragon cast spells though?&nbsp; After all, dragons had a percentage chance of having spells.&nbsp; Did they have actual MU levels?&nbsp; But, then, why didn't they need spell components?&nbsp; Beyond that, in 3e and later (if not earlier) any innate casting didn't need spell components, even if the monster was treated as a Level X caster.&nbsp; Why can't I learn to cast spells like a Ki-Rin and never need any spell components for my spells?&nbsp; It's never explained.&nbsp; This whole thing about a &quot;strict proviso&quot; is entirely fabricated.&nbsp; It never existed in the game.&nbsp; I don't disagree that people play this way.&nbsp; Fine and dandy.&nbsp; But, pretending that it's required?&nbsp; That's not even remotely true.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 8828139, member: 22779"] "PC" playable is a 3e invention. It didn't exist in 1e and didn't exist in 2e officially until pretty later on with things like the Complete Humanoid. And, even then, it was never presented as an expectation. An orc didn't gain character levels - he suddenly became treated as an ogre when he became chief. Now, I don't think that the intent was that an orc physically transformed into an ogre, despite using an ogre's stats upon becoming chief. It was purely a game mechanics method to differentiate a rank and file orc from an orc chieftain. How did that dragon cast spells though? After all, dragons had a percentage chance of having spells. Did they have actual MU levels? But, then, why didn't they need spell components? Beyond that, in 3e and later (if not earlier) any innate casting didn't need spell components, even if the monster was treated as a Level X caster. Why can't I learn to cast spells like a Ki-Rin and never need any spell components for my spells? It's never explained. This whole thing about a "strict proviso" is entirely fabricated. It never existed in the game. I don't disagree that people play this way. Fine and dandy. But, pretending that it's required? That's not even remotely true. [/QUOTE]

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