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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8394620" data-attributes="member: 6801228">And this is exactly the problem. The players have no recourse other than to find a new DM. And the DM is going to sound perfectly reasonable calling them entitled, because DMs have ultimate authority to do anything they want, for any reason they want. And of course the DM wasn't doing anything wrong, the rules allow them to make these decisions, so of course the players were just whiners when he maximized every die result and every hit was a crit, and they all critically fumbled every roll. There was a story reason for it, they just didn't stick around long enough to find out, if they had just waited til all their characters died he would have totally had them revived to serve the good king and it would have been a great adventure. They just were too entitled to play the game. Clearly I'm hinting at the fact that the DM is to blame here, but since the premise we start from is that the DM cannot do anything to cheat and break the game, then we put the burden on the players to just.. deal with people who abuse their power. Because they have the authority to use that power however they want, and you just have to hope they are a benevolent tyrant.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8394620, member: 6801228"] And this is exactly the problem. The players have no recourse other than to find a new DM. And the DM is going to sound perfectly reasonable calling them entitled, because DMs have ultimate authority to do anything they want, for any reason they want. And of course the DM wasn't doing anything wrong, the rules allow them to make these decisions, so of course the players were just whiners when he maximized every die result and every hit was a crit, and they all critically fumbled every roll. There was a story reason for it, they just didn't stick around long enough to find out, if they had just waited til all their characters died he would have totally had them revived to serve the good king and it would have been a great adventure. They just were too entitled to play the game. Clearly I'm hinting at the fact that the DM is to blame here, but since the premise we start from is that the DM cannot do anything to cheat and break the game, then we put the burden on the players to just.. deal with people who abuse their power. Because they have the authority to use that power however they want, and you just have to hope they are a benevolent tyrant. [/QUOTE]

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