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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8394833" data-attributes="member: 23751">The vast majority of people would still be decent.&nbsp; The trouble makers would still make trouble.&nbsp; Laws don't actually prevent crime.&nbsp; They exist to punish it.The power isn't exercised to that degree in typical game play.Dude.&nbsp; There's a reason I went out of my way to say that you're just mistaken(that means not lying in case you needed to know).&nbsp; I mean seriously. I'm getting really, REALLY tired of you misrepresenting me constantly.&nbsp; There was no expectation set about either of us lying.And yes, you quite literally cannot cheat at a game where you control the rules.&nbsp; If you don't understand that, then yes I do understand it better than you do.I don't know, and I really don't care.&nbsp; Just like I don't know or don't care if there are any other RPGs out there that give DMs the kind of control that D&amp;D does.&nbsp; We're discussing D&amp;D, not any of those other games.It doesn't matter because 1) the dozens games I've played in were fun for all of the players, and 2) many of those players have played many other RPGs and so they HAVE played in those kinds of games and still enjoyed the games where the DM has the authority, which proves that 3) it's not the level of authority the DM holds that makes a game good or not.&nbsp; Yes.&nbsp; My perception of hundreds of happy players shows that there is no problem.And what does this have to do with what I said?&nbsp; Show me where the player above and the other players left the OP's game and then got called entitled by him.&nbsp; I'll wait for you to show me that equivalence to what I said, and not the False Equivalence above.It's not easy at all.&nbsp; Especially since the bolded message isn't even being sent here.&nbsp; How about you stick to what's actually being argued, instead of creating fiction and then attributing it to me?I have done it.&nbsp; There have been times where I rolled for something out in front of them(I do it sometimes) and then decided on a course and told them never mind, X happens.&nbsp; That's me deciding to ignore what was rolled and effectively change it to the result I decided on.&nbsp; 0 issues so far.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8394833, member: 23751"] The vast majority of people would still be decent. The trouble makers would still make trouble. Laws don't actually prevent crime. They exist to punish it. The power isn't exercised to that degree in typical game play. Dude. There's a reason I went out of my way to say that you're just mistaken(that means not lying in case you needed to know). I mean seriously. I'm getting really, REALLY tired of you misrepresenting me constantly. There was no expectation set about either of us lying. And yes, you quite literally cannot cheat at a game where you control the rules. If you don't understand that, then yes I do understand it better than you do. I don't know, and I really don't care. Just like I don't know or don't care if there are any other RPGs out there that give DMs the kind of control that D&D does. We're discussing D&D, not any of those other games. It doesn't matter because 1) the dozens games I've played in were fun for all of the players, and 2) many of those players have played many other RPGs and so they HAVE played in those kinds of games and still enjoyed the games where the DM has the authority, which proves that 3) it's not the level of authority the DM holds that makes a game good or not. Yes. My perception of hundreds of happy players shows that there is no problem. And what does this have to do with what I said? Show me where the player above and the other players left the OP's game and then got called entitled by him. I'll wait for you to show me that equivalence to what I said, and not the False Equivalence above. It's not easy at all. Especially since the bolded message isn't even being sent here. How about you stick to what's actually being argued, instead of creating fiction and then attributing it to me? I have done it. There have been times where I rolled for something out in front of them(I do it sometimes) and then decided on a course and told them never mind, X happens. That's me deciding to ignore what was rolled and effectively change it to the result I decided on. 0 issues so far. [/QUOTE]

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