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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8398983" data-attributes="member: 6801228">You are very much ignoring the point. The point Lanefan and Maxperson are making isn't that every path to power must be open to the PCs, but that paths of power must be potentially open. The example with Orcus is actually the prime example here, you say that the DM declares that Orcus won't make a PC a Chosen One, and then act like that refutes their point. But it doesn't. In fact, I'd say Max and Lanefan both would agree that it is the DMs prerogative to have Orcus deny the PCs access to his power. The point is though, that if the PCs DID gain his favor, and become his chosen one, then they would gain those powers. To give another example, a Lich has a necrotic touch that paralyzes foes. The players may declare &quot;Wow, that is awesome, how can I do that?&quot; The answer is simple... become a lich. If you become a lich, you can gain access to this power. You also will likely also lose your character and have to roll a new one, because most DMs aren't cool with you becoming a Lich. But the potential is there. It isn't &quot;you can never gain this power because the laws of reality prevent it, you are a Player Character, not a Non-Player Character&quot; To take the example of the Witch-King of Angmar. How did he gain his power? By wearing one of the Nine rings, falling to Sauron's Corruption and becoming a Ring Wraith. If Aaragon got one of the Nine Rings, put it on, fell to Sauron's Corruption, and became a Ring Wraith... then he would very likely have very similar if not identical powers to the Witch-King. The point though, is that that power came with a cost that Aaragon doesn't wish to pay, because it is a sign of moral weakness to have given in to Sauron. The potential exists, not the actuality.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8398983, member: 6801228"] You are very much ignoring the point. The point Lanefan and Maxperson are making isn't that every path to power must be open to the PCs, but that paths of power must be potentially open. The example with Orcus is actually the prime example here, you say that the DM declares that Orcus won't make a PC a Chosen One, and then act like that refutes their point. But it doesn't. In fact, I'd say Max and Lanefan both would agree that it is the DMs prerogative to have Orcus deny the PCs access to his power. The point is though, that if the PCs DID gain his favor, and become his chosen one, then they would gain those powers. To give another example, a Lich has a necrotic touch that paralyzes foes. The players may declare "Wow, that is awesome, how can I do that?" The answer is simple... become a lich. If you become a lich, you can gain access to this power. You also will likely also lose your character and have to roll a new one, because most DMs aren't cool with you becoming a Lich. But the potential is there. It isn't "you can never gain this power because the laws of reality prevent it, you are a Player Character, not a Non-Player Character" To take the example of the Witch-King of Angmar. How did he gain his power? By wearing one of the Nine rings, falling to Sauron's Corruption and becoming a Ring Wraith. If Aaragon got one of the Nine Rings, put it on, fell to Sauron's Corruption, and became a Ring Wraith... then he would very likely have very similar if not identical powers to the Witch-King. The point though, is that that power came with a cost that Aaragon doesn't wish to pay, because it is a sign of moral weakness to have given in to Sauron. The potential exists, not the actuality. [/QUOTE]

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