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<blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8400181" data-attributes="member: 7032025">The fact that he pronounced the spell in orcish does not prove that there were orc wizards. It's ridiculous to claim that there were when there is not even the hint of one in all the books. It's far more probable than it's because there are concepts there that cannot be expressed in other tongues.The Maiar were primordial spirits created to help the Valar first shape the World. They were not mortals and were of divine essence.No we are not. You are trying to draw the discussion in that direction just because you can't prove that there are paths which are closed to some characters. Again, it's not a question of the level of power, but of the fact that some NPCs have powers that PCs will never have.And once more, it just proves that, in LotR, where no-one who could be considered a &quot;PC&quot; has magic powers, there are a number of NPCs with magic powers (including some of mortal descent) which the PC simply cannot have, they simply cannot be trained.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lyxen, post: 8400181, member: 7032025"] The fact that he pronounced the spell in orcish does not prove that there were orc wizards. It's ridiculous to claim that there were when there is not even the hint of one in all the books. It's far more probable than it's because there are concepts there that cannot be expressed in other tongues. The Maiar were primordial spirits created to help the Valar first shape the World. They were not mortals and were of divine essence. No we are not. You are trying to draw the discussion in that direction just because you can't prove that there are paths which are closed to some characters. Again, it's not a question of the level of power, but of the fact that some NPCs have powers that PCs will never have. And once more, it just proves that, in LotR, where no-one who could be considered a "PC" has magic powers, there are a number of NPCs with magic powers (including some of mortal descent) which the PC simply cannot have, they simply cannot be trained. [/QUOTE]

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