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<blockquote data-quote="ggroy" data-source="post: 4857785" data-attributes="member: 83805">Occasionally the players in my &quot;experiment&quot; did try to do things for which their classes were not proficient at.&nbsp; How I dealt with that issue, is to change that player's action into a &quot;difficult task&quot; (roll of 15 to 19) or even an &quot;almost-impossible task&quot; (natural 20 roll).&nbsp; For example, a non-multiclassed fighter trying to figure out something magical/arcane, I would require a natural 20 roll.&nbsp; A non-multiclassed sorcerer or wizard trying to use a short sword in combat, I would require a roll of 19 or 20 for a hit.Wonder if things could have turned out differently, if I was using an even simpler set of rules such as:- a player rolls a d20- the DM immediately does a &quot;counter&quot; d20 roll- if the player's d20 roll is greater than or equal to the DM's roll, it happens- if the player's d20 roll is less than the DM's roll, it doesn't happenThe difference between the player_d20 and DM_d20 rolls, determines the degree of which something happens whether in favor (for player_d20 - DM_d20 &gt; 0) or disfavor (for player_d20 - DM_d20 &lt; 0), for the player.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ggroy, post: 4857785, member: 83805"] Occasionally the players in my "experiment" did try to do things for which their classes were not proficient at. How I dealt with that issue, is to change that player's action into a "difficult task" (roll of 15 to 19) or even an "almost-impossible task" (natural 20 roll). For example, a non-multiclassed fighter trying to figure out something magical/arcane, I would require a natural 20 roll. A non-multiclassed sorcerer or wizard trying to use a short sword in combat, I would require a roll of 19 or 20 for a hit. Wonder if things could have turned out differently, if I was using an even simpler set of rules such as: - a player rolls a d20 - the DM immediately does a "counter" d20 roll - if the player's d20 roll is greater than or equal to the DM's roll, it happens - if the player's d20 roll is less than the DM's roll, it doesn't happen The difference between the player_d20 and DM_d20 rolls, determines the degree of which something happens whether in favor (for player_d20 - DM_d20 > 0) or disfavor (for player_d20 - DM_d20 < 0), for the player. [/QUOTE]

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