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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Diamond Cross" data-source="post: 5487846" data-attributes="member: 51024">There are also players who refuse to follow the DM's guidelines on what classes they want.Such as if the DM wants to use only the PHB, no ECL characters, and no prestige classes, a character will make a class from a book like the Complete Adventurer Book and whine whine whine whine whine until one of two things happen. Either the DM relents or simply says "then don't play". If the latter happens, the player goes off whining about how the DM is a bad person.But then again, there's also the DM who believes in giving the players illusions of control. For example, if a player doesn't follow the story path that character is automatically killed off through impossible odds.And this one DM I once played with had this one quirk that he'd never allow players to have wealthy characters of any sort because he was A socialist ans hated wealth because the Bible told him to be poor. As a result he always had the characters forced into poverty and living in the streets. And when challenged about it, he said it developed character.</blockquote>