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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MG.0" data-source="post: 6758303" data-attributes="member: 6799436">Believe me I do not take interfering with player agency lightly. What I am speaking of is override in the case of players exceeding the bounds of fair/fun play. Yes, booting is at the extreme end of DM intervention, but there can be lesser forms.For instance, if the party is split and a player overhears something from the other group's play and decides to have his character act on knowledge he absolutely does not possess, then it is within the DM's purview to say that course of action is no longer possible.In fact, this handling is almost directly form the 1st edition DMG (pg 110):HANDLING TROUBLESOME PLAYERSSome players will find more enjoyment in spoiling a game than in playingit, and this ruins the fun for the rest of the participants, so it must beprevented. Those who enjoy being loud and argumentative, those whopout or act in a childish manner when things go against them, those whouse the books as a defense when you rule them out of line should beexcluded from the campaign. Simply put, ask them to leave, or do notinvite them to participate again.Peer pressure is another means which can be used to control players whoare not totally obnoxious and who you deem worth saving. These typestypically attempt to give orders and instructions even when theircharacters are not present, tell other characters what to do even thoughthe character role they have has nothing to do with that of the one beinginstructed, or continually attempt actions or activities their characterswould have no knowledge of. When any such proposals or suggestions ororders are made, simply inform the group that that is no longer possibleunder any circumstances because of the player in question. The group willthen act to silence him or her and control undesirable outbursts. The otherplayers will most certainly let such individuals know about undesirableactivity when it begins to affect their characters and their enjoyment of thegame.Strong steps short of expulsion can be an extra random monster die,obviously rolled, the attack of an ethereal mummy (which always strikesby surprise, naturally), points of damage from "blue bolts from theheavens" striking the offender's head, or the permanent loss of a point ofcharisma (appropriately) from the character belonging to the offender. Ifthese have to be enacted regularly, then they are not effective andstronger measures must be taken. Again, the ultimate answer to such aproblem is simply to exclude the disruptive person from further gatherings.</blockquote>

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