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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 4739144" data-attributes="member: 48965">@Bullgrit : Heh, I see exactly what you're saying... Some interesting points I'm finding are...D&amp;D 4e only has 3 gradations in DC difficulty if in fact all DC's are set by the PC's level, otherwise it has 30 gradations (level categories X difficulty), and I've seen it argued either way depending on what exactly the point the poster is trying to make is.&nbsp; Second I keep hearing people talk about how the gap in skills has been corrected... but IMO, it hasn't.&nbsp; As an example, a 2nd level Halfling Rogue can have a skill total in Acrobatics equal to +4(Dex bonus) +2(Racial Bonus) +5(Trained Bonus) +3(Skill Focus Bonus) +2(Criminal Background Bonus) +1(Level Bonus)= +17 at 2nd level.&nbsp; This means he can effectively without rolling attain any difficulty in the&nbsp; range of 1st through 6th level... And can actually routinely (needs less than a 10) do the hardest tasks in Paragon tier.&nbsp; With a roll of 12 he can do hard lower-epic tier level feats... and this is at 2nd level, and all he really sacrificed was a single feat for skill focus.&nbsp; So I gotta disagree that 4e's system in anyway limits&nbsp; a low level PC achieving the nigh-impossible.Finally there's the whole disparity in challenge levels between specialized and non-specialized characters.&nbsp; Anything that can be challenging but not impossible to a non-focused character who picked acrobatics up (say you're average 2nd level fighter with no Dex bonus but trained in Acrobatics + Level Bonus (+6)) on the side... is going to be laughably easy for the maxed character, if a challenge at all. Perhaps we should fork this if people really want to discuss it...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 4739144, member: 48965"] @Bullgrit : Heh, I see exactly what you're saying... Some interesting points I'm finding are... D&D 4e only has 3 gradations in DC difficulty if in fact all DC's are set by the PC's level, otherwise it has 30 gradations (level categories X difficulty), and I've seen it argued either way depending on what exactly the point the poster is trying to make is. Second I keep hearing people talk about how the gap in skills has been corrected... but IMO, it hasn't. As an example, a 2nd level Halfling Rogue can have a skill total in Acrobatics equal to +4(Dex bonus) +2(Racial Bonus) +5(Trained Bonus) +3(Skill Focus Bonus) +2(Criminal Background Bonus) +1(Level Bonus)= +17 at 2nd level. This means he can effectively without rolling attain any difficulty in the range of 1st through 6th level... And can actually routinely (needs less than a 10) do the hardest tasks in Paragon tier. With a roll of 12 he can do hard lower-epic tier level feats... and this is at 2nd level, and all he really sacrificed was a single feat for skill focus. So I gotta disagree that 4e's system in anyway limits a low level PC achieving the nigh-impossible. Finally there's the whole disparity in challenge levels between specialized and non-specialized characters. Anything that can be challenging but not impossible to a non-focused character who picked acrobatics up (say you're average 2nd level fighter with no Dex bonus but trained in Acrobatics + Level Bonus (+6)) on the side... is going to be laughably easy for the maxed character, if a challenge at all. Perhaps we should fork this if people really want to discuss it... [/QUOTE]

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