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<blockquote data-quote="El Mahdi" data-source="post: 4981734" data-attributes="member: 59506"><p>I think you either mischaractarized or misread my post. I was very specifically talking about not seeking player feedback at the risk of appearing weak.</p><p> </p><p>The rest of his advice, whether I agree or not, simply expressed a different approach to gaming than I would play. An approach I neither criticized nor even commented on.</p><p> </p><p>Showing resolve and conviction as a DM is an excellent trait. One that I also did not criticize. I would expect it's a safe bet to say, no matter how hard you may be on your gaming group (and that's not a bad thing), that you would not ignore feedback from your players or purposely set out to make them feel cheated. I don't really know you personally, but I'd still think that's a safe bet.</p><p> </p><p>The tone of this:<em> "<strong>First, contrary to what some have said, I recommend you do not approach your players on the topic.</strong> Going to your players for approval makes you look weak, and your players will capitalize on that and walk all over you. You are the DM. You make the decision."</em></p><p> </p><p>Sounds very similiar to this: <em>"...crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and ... hear the lamentation of their women."</em></p><p> </p><p>Thus the Conan the DM quip.</p><p> </p><p>If you don't see it, that's fine. My wife only gets about a third of my jokes. A professional comedian I am not.</p><p> </p><p>Regardless, despite my not commenting on the rest of his advice, it was delivered in an arrogant and adversarial tone. So...</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: lime">Troll (noun) - internet slang - Someone who posts controversial or inflammatory ... messages in an online community, such as an online forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.</span></p><p> </p><p>I call it like I see it. A low post guy who nobody knows, but obviously understands how forums works, jumps in with both feet telling other posters how they are wrong in an arrogant and adversarial manner. Ten posts total on the site, and every one of them in this thread carries the same tone. From reading his posts it seems his only reason here is to pick a fight. Maybe I'm wrong about his intentions, but I honestly can't see another reason for posting in this manner as a "new guy".</p><p> </p><p>Apologize to <u><strong>Joseph Rossow</strong></u>? Not going to happen.</p><p> </p><p>I will, however, apologize to <strong><u>olay</u></strong>. As everyone who has carried on this fight with <u><strong>Joseph Rossow</strong></u>, or anyone else, for the last two pages, should aplogize to <strong><u>olay</u></strong> also.</p><p> </p><p>I don't know if this was <strong><u>Joseph Rossow</u></strong>'s intent, but we have all threadcrapped on <strong><u>olay</u></strong>.</p><p> </p><p><strong><u>olay</u></strong>: I'm sorry for getting started, even unintentionally, a complete threadcrap on your request for advice. ENWorld isn't usually this bad, and I hope you don't stay away because of it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="El Mahdi, post: 4981734, member: 59506"] I think you either mischaractarized or misread my post. I was very specifically talking about not seeking player feedback at the risk of appearing weak. The rest of his advice, whether I agree or not, simply expressed a different approach to gaming than I would play. An approach I neither criticized nor even commented on. Showing resolve and conviction as a DM is an excellent trait. One that I also did not criticize. I would expect it's a safe bet to say, no matter how hard you may be on your gaming group (and that's not a bad thing), that you would not ignore feedback from your players or purposely set out to make them feel cheated. I don't really know you personally, but I'd still think that's a safe bet. The tone of this:[I] "[B]First, contrary to what some have said, I recommend you do not approach your players on the topic.[/B] Going to your players for approval makes you look weak, and your players will capitalize on that and walk all over you. You are the DM. You make the decision."[/I] Sounds very similiar to this: [I]"...crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and ... hear the lamentation of their women."[/I] Thus the Conan the DM quip. If you don't see it, that's fine. My wife only gets about a third of my jokes. A professional comedian I am not. Regardless, despite my not commenting on the rest of his advice, it was delivered in an arrogant and adversarial tone. So... [COLOR=lime]Troll (noun) - internet slang - Someone who posts controversial or inflammatory ... messages in an online community, such as an online forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[/COLOR] I call it like I see it. A low post guy who nobody knows, but obviously understands how forums works, jumps in with both feet telling other posters how they are wrong in an arrogant and adversarial manner. Ten posts total on the site, and every one of them in this thread carries the same tone. From reading his posts it seems his only reason here is to pick a fight. Maybe I'm wrong about his intentions, but I honestly can't see another reason for posting in this manner as a "new guy". Apologize to [U][B]Joseph Rossow[/B][/U]? Not going to happen. I will, however, apologize to [B][U]olay[/U][/B]. As everyone who has carried on this fight with [U][B]Joseph Rossow[/B][/U], or anyone else, for the last two pages, should aplogize to [B][U]olay[/U][/B] also. I don't know if this was [B][U]Joseph Rossow[/U][/B]'s intent, but we have all threadcrapped on [B][U]olay[/U][/B]. [B][U]olay[/U][/B]: I'm sorry for getting started, even unintentionally, a complete threadcrap on your request for advice. ENWorld isn't usually this bad, and I hope you don't stay away because of it. [/QUOTE]
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