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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 2094435" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>3.5 has some bleeding wounds that aren't entirely patch-able in the system as written....things it wasn't really meant to handle, that it ended up handling anyway. Things like monsters-as-PC's (IMHO, it should be an easy transition, since they should be on the same general power scale...an extention of the "as the PC, so the NPC" concept that 3e has rang true with), multiclassing spellcasters (yes, everyone has their own house-rule on how to do this, including WotC, but no solution is very elegant), a painful lack of ninjas, a dependance of character upon items (again, everyone has their own house-rule on how to do this, but they're all patchwork), a level system that doesn't allow high level without high power (only a problem because some people like the best sages in the system to also be weaklings, but a thing nonetheless), some sacred cows that aren't too nessecary (a dependance on classes as archetypes instead of just as ability packages)....blah blah blah.</p><p></p><p>But the fact is that these problems are not enough to warrant a new edition of the game we all know and love, and any extensive re-write would jeapordize some of the things that make D&D D&D, some of the "sacred cows" that, if they were changed, wouldn't feel like D&D anymore. </p><p></p><p>Fortunately, out there in The World, 4e basically already exists. WotC isn't producing a lot for it, but it's out there. It's in the third party stuff. The things that tweak the system hardcore. The campaigns that do things that the D&D game could never really do -- re-balance, re-formulate, add nessecary features, take away unnessecary ones, etc, etc. Think of 4e as the other d20 games that aren't D&D-based, but are still OGL. Genres like horror, action, suspense, drama...heck, to a certain extent, d20 Modern can be considered 4e, and a lot of people have reverse-engineered it to make a generic d20 Fantasy. </p><p></p><p>You're waiting for 4e? Man, it's already here. WotC just hasn't caught up to it yet.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 2094435, member: 2067"] 3.5 has some bleeding wounds that aren't entirely patch-able in the system as written....things it wasn't really meant to handle, that it ended up handling anyway. Things like monsters-as-PC's (IMHO, it should be an easy transition, since they should be on the same general power scale...an extention of the "as the PC, so the NPC" concept that 3e has rang true with), multiclassing spellcasters (yes, everyone has their own house-rule on how to do this, including WotC, but no solution is very elegant), a painful lack of ninjas, a dependance of character upon items (again, everyone has their own house-rule on how to do this, but they're all patchwork), a level system that doesn't allow high level without high power (only a problem because some people like the best sages in the system to also be weaklings, but a thing nonetheless), some sacred cows that aren't too nessecary (a dependance on classes as archetypes instead of just as ability packages)....blah blah blah. But the fact is that these problems are not enough to warrant a new edition of the game we all know and love, and any extensive re-write would jeapordize some of the things that make D&D D&D, some of the "sacred cows" that, if they were changed, wouldn't feel like D&D anymore. Fortunately, out there in The World, 4e basically already exists. WotC isn't producing a lot for it, but it's out there. It's in the third party stuff. The things that tweak the system hardcore. The campaigns that do things that the D&D game could never really do -- re-balance, re-formulate, add nessecary features, take away unnessecary ones, etc, etc. Think of 4e as the other d20 games that aren't D&D-based, but are still OGL. Genres like horror, action, suspense, drama...heck, to a certain extent, d20 Modern can be considered 4e, and a lot of people have reverse-engineered it to make a generic d20 Fantasy. You're waiting for 4e? Man, it's already here. WotC just hasn't caught up to it yet. [/QUOTE]
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