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<blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 8608877" data-attributes="member: 2209"><p>It has been a couple decades and I no longer own the avatar trilogy novels, but from memory it was about some evil gods (Bane and company) trying to gain major power by taking the Tablets of Fate and Ao throwing a frustrated tantrum over it. From looking at the wiki the <a href="https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Tablets_of_Fate" target="_blank">Tablets of Fate</a> recorded the roles of the gods and primoridals in maintaining a balance of Law versus Chaos, not Good and Evil, and maintained a barrier between Abeir and Toril. This explanation seems a 4e realms explanation, I don't remember what the 1e/2e transition era novels actually said about the purpose of the Tablets and what balance it supports, just that they were powerful and Bane's crew wanted to divinely advance to greater power with them.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Dragonlance's Overgod and the balance of good and evil was never entirely clear to me.</p><p></p><p>I am not certain on whether the Overgod laid down the triple balance requirements and Paladine was working within those constraints. The introduction of the Overgod and top level cosmology stuff in the 1e <a href="https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/162788/Dragonlance-Adventures-1e?affiliate_id=17596" target="_blank">Dragonlance Adventures</a> and later materials was a bit weird for me coming off the novels.</p><p></p><p>The biggest examples of too much good being bad in the Dragonlance setting itself (the Irda and the Kingpriest) seemed more examples of ultimate power and hubris corrupting even those with good intentions.</p><p></p><p>The Kingpriest as he gained more power tried to do good by exerting more and more power leading to attempted mass thought control and domination to force good and eliminate evil and then to be intolerant of people who are not actively on his crusade and inquisition in the name of good, including eventually the gods.</p><p></p><p>The extremely powerful Irda try to bite off more than they can chew to exert control and mastery through power to do good which ends up with tragic consequences.</p><p></p><p>For the most part Dragonlance is in periods of evil ascendance so doing good is pushing to make the world a better place, not inviting evil onto other places to benefit your own. The War of the Lance is fighting for light against overwhelming darkness, not shifting darkness from the local and close at heart onto foreign unseen others.</p><p></p><p>The <a href="https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/520/The-Banewarrens?affiliate_id=17596" target="_blank">Banewarrens</a> had an interesting epic good theocrat's theory of evil cosmology in its backstory. Since the evil planes are infinite destroying evil things simply caused them to reform and manifest elsewhere. This is essentially the setup you mention above but it is a setup of the universe and not a choice of a big guy in charge you can blame. The question for the epically powerful theocrat then is what to do to make the world better. One theory was to bind major evils and imprison them so that they cannot escape and reform but exist concentrated in confinement where they are isolated to minimize their impact.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Voadam, post: 8608877, member: 2209"] It has been a couple decades and I no longer own the avatar trilogy novels, but from memory it was about some evil gods (Bane and company) trying to gain major power by taking the Tablets of Fate and Ao throwing a frustrated tantrum over it. From looking at the wiki the [URL='https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Tablets_of_Fate']Tablets of Fate[/URL] recorded the roles of the gods and primoridals in maintaining a balance of Law versus Chaos, not Good and Evil, and maintained a barrier between Abeir and Toril. This explanation seems a 4e realms explanation, I don't remember what the 1e/2e transition era novels actually said about the purpose of the Tablets and what balance it supports, just that they were powerful and Bane's crew wanted to divinely advance to greater power with them. Dragonlance's Overgod and the balance of good and evil was never entirely clear to me. I am not certain on whether the Overgod laid down the triple balance requirements and Paladine was working within those constraints. The introduction of the Overgod and top level cosmology stuff in the 1e [URL='https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/162788/Dragonlance-Adventures-1e?affiliate_id=17596']Dragonlance Adventures[/URL] and later materials was a bit weird for me coming off the novels. The biggest examples of too much good being bad in the Dragonlance setting itself (the Irda and the Kingpriest) seemed more examples of ultimate power and hubris corrupting even those with good intentions. The Kingpriest as he gained more power tried to do good by exerting more and more power leading to attempted mass thought control and domination to force good and eliminate evil and then to be intolerant of people who are not actively on his crusade and inquisition in the name of good, including eventually the gods. The extremely powerful Irda try to bite off more than they can chew to exert control and mastery through power to do good which ends up with tragic consequences. For the most part Dragonlance is in periods of evil ascendance so doing good is pushing to make the world a better place, not inviting evil onto other places to benefit your own. The War of the Lance is fighting for light against overwhelming darkness, not shifting darkness from the local and close at heart onto foreign unseen others. The [URL='https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/520/The-Banewarrens?affiliate_id=17596']Banewarrens[/URL] had an interesting epic good theocrat's theory of evil cosmology in its backstory. Since the evil planes are infinite destroying evil things simply caused them to reform and manifest elsewhere. This is essentially the setup you mention above but it is a setup of the universe and not a choice of a big guy in charge you can blame. The question for the epically powerful theocrat then is what to do to make the world better. One theory was to bind major evils and imprison them so that they cannot escape and reform but exist concentrated in confinement where they are isolated to minimize their impact. [/QUOTE]
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