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<blockquote data-quote="Jer" data-source="post: 8616235" data-attributes="member: 19857">Except you're making claims about 4e cosmology without keeping in mind the actual 4e use of alignment.&nbsp; When you call it &quot;one dimensional&quot; that's because you're imposing a 1e/2e &quot;Great Wheel&quot; conception of alignment onto something that wasn't actually built to handle a 1e/2e conception of alignment as a 9 point grid.&nbsp; When you're making strong claims about how 4e's cosmology is &quot;this&quot; or &quot;that&quot; and ignoring the actual construction of 4e cosmology it's just weird.(Arguably in the Planescape setting the entire Great Wheel is a shared delusion by the planars who live on those planes anyway - a self imposed construct to fit their worldview of a 9 point alignment grid.&nbsp; Re-reading some of the Planescape stuff recently I'm struck by how at some level the authors are actually mocking of the entire structure of alignment and having supposed &quot;good&quot; entities behaving in arguably evil ways because the Law/Chaos war of the Blood War is more important to the setting and to the folks who live in it than any concept of Good or Evil.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jer, post: 8616235, member: 19857"] Except you're making claims about 4e cosmology without keeping in mind the actual 4e use of alignment. When you call it "one dimensional" that's because you're imposing a 1e/2e "Great Wheel" conception of alignment onto something that wasn't actually built to handle a 1e/2e conception of alignment as a 9 point grid. When you're making strong claims about how 4e's cosmology is "this" or "that" and ignoring the actual construction of 4e cosmology it's just weird. (Arguably in the Planescape setting the entire Great Wheel is a shared delusion by the planars who live on those planes anyway - a self imposed construct to fit their worldview of a 9 point alignment grid. Re-reading some of the Planescape stuff recently I'm struck by how at some level the authors are actually mocking of the entire structure of alignment and having supposed "good" entities behaving in arguably evil ways because the Law/Chaos war of the Blood War is more important to the setting and to the folks who live in it than any concept of Good or Evil.) [/QUOTE]

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