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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6022097" data-attributes="member: 22779">To be fair, there are a number of monsters in 4e that can get the grind on in a hurry.  Anything incorporeal can be a right PITA, for example.  That invisible, TELEPORTING, elite (or possibly solo) was another good example.Something that 4e really needs is to take a very hard look at any ability that reduces damage.  Considering how many HP most 4e critters already have, bumping on something like invisibility at will as a minor action, is going to make a fight take AGES.  I think we were on what, round 14 by the end of that fight?  So, 5 players, 1 DM, 3 hours (180 min/6/14=) 2 minutes per turn.  Not a bad average at all.  Certainly a heck of a lot better than 8 to 10 minutes per turn.But, I think the point is also well made - fights in 4e don't typically take several hours to resolve.  If they are for your group (and that's the generic you - no one in specific) then it might be time to take a look at encounter design.  Where is the massive time sink.  It's not about saying that a good DM fixes everything, but, when possible issues can be pretty glaringly obvious, either try not to use those things, or change them.I mean, if the invisible critter could only go invisible as a move action, then it would not have been a problem.  If insubstantial instead just granted a bunch of HP, it would be a lot better.  Particularly when insubstantial gets paired with creatures that cause weakness - quadrupling a critter's HP is not a good thing.While I think that there are issues here, I'm not sure they are terribly insurmountable ones.</blockquote>

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