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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sporelock" data-source="post: 3093571" data-attributes="member: 44593">LukelightningSummoning spells still are just spell effects and they take an action to cast (which can have a risk associated with it even when invisible), they are very temporary (1 round per level), take a spell slot or charge of an item so casting them like your sneaky mage is a just a tactic and could be useful.  Not much different than a mage casting fireball into a room down the hall that he knows intruders are in but they won’t see it coming.    MoritheilThe fighter’s EL would be based on him at his best, not unarmored, weaponless and helpless, so if anything, the EL of the fighter would be lessened because he does not have armor (not saying that is what I would do, if the party were clever and timed their attack right, then they should be rewarded)I see the two example much differently though.    The fighter in or out of armor is one individual and can only take one action per round.   A caster with undead minions has many permanent allies that can attack many enemies at once, protect the caster, surround enemy casters and the caster gets all that without touching his repertoire of spells for the day.    The caster with his army of long ago created undead is free to cast Desecrate, Negative energy spells that heal the undead and hurt the enemies, enchantment spells like Deep Slumber that won’t affect the enemies…..</blockquote>