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Message: <blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5651326" data-attributes="member: 35909">Wizard got buffed, Barbarian was nerfed.Bards...are about where they were in 3E.  They're definitely not the WORST class (Monk and Rogue well surpass them there), but at the same time, a few classes that were inferior to them in 3E got some nice buffs (Fighter, Paladin, and Ranger), so their ranking on the totem pole slipped a bit, you could say.They gained more spells per day, eventual swift action bardic performance activation, and the ability to tie a whole lot of skill checks into a handful of perform skills, all helpful.  Unfortunately, their bardic music duration was MASSIVELY cut, now you only get a handful of rounds per day.  Which makes a lot of non-combat songs practically worthless and restricts their buffing power a tad even in combat.  Ultimately, the biggest loss a PF Bard faces is losing all the massive amounts of love they got in 3E splat books (IMO, they got more than anyone except maybe sorcerer).  In a PF-only game, you can't optimize your inspire courage to +14 or whatever nor turn it into <a href="http://dnd.savannahsoft.eu/feat-733-dragonfire-inspiration.html" target="_blank">+Xd6 sonic damage</a>, you can't <a href="http://dnd.savannahsoft.eu/feat-2671-snowflake-wardance.html" target="_blank">snowflake wardance</a>, and you can't go sublime chord for 9th level spell casting in armor with awesome skill points.To put it more simply...if by "suck" you mean decent at everything but great at nothing...then yeah, they still suck.  But they at least get a bunch of spells per day to win a combat with a save-or-lose*.  Rogue and Monk get to be mediocre at most things and not get redeeming qualities.*I'm being tongue-in-cheek, I don't actually think winning a combat on a single action is the sole defining characteristic of being useful.  Please don't flame me.EDIT: The title actually confuses me...  Bards were the 5th best of the core classes in 3E, right after Wizard, Cleric, Druid, and Sorcerer.</blockquote>

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