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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5680598" data-attributes="member: 35909"><p>Archaeologist is in its very description, a rogue-like Bard. A ninja is a charismatic rogue, at least in Paizo's minds. I see no fluff reason why they shouldn't make sense to combine. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>And yes, you need levels to increase the bonus. But I'm skeptical that an extra +2 past level 5 by sticking around for 12+ more levels is really worth it. Also, losing the capstone without any replacement is kinda grating.</p><p></p><p>If a prestige class advanced the casting at full or nearly full rate and gave interesting class features, I think that would be more preferable than a few rogue talents and another +2. Sadly, there is no such prestige class to meet those rather narrow guidelines.</p><p></p><p>Thinking up a Divine Hunter Paladin / Archaeologist Bard / Ninja focused on archery and being sexy (massive charisma) right now. Tentative concept would be Pal 2 / Bard 12 / Ninja 6, though not in such a clean progression order as that. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Kinda requires a common sense houserule that you can take master Tricks with Advanced Rogue Talent to be worth going so far in Archaeologist, though.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5680598, member: 35909"] Archaeologist is in its very description, a rogue-like Bard. A ninja is a charismatic rogue, at least in Paizo's minds. I see no fluff reason why they shouldn't make sense to combine. :) And yes, you need levels to increase the bonus. But I'm skeptical that an extra +2 past level 5 by sticking around for 12+ more levels is really worth it. Also, losing the capstone without any replacement is kinda grating. If a prestige class advanced the casting at full or nearly full rate and gave interesting class features, I think that would be more preferable than a few rogue talents and another +2. Sadly, there is no such prestige class to meet those rather narrow guidelines. Thinking up a Divine Hunter Paladin / Archaeologist Bard / Ninja focused on archery and being sexy (massive charisma) right now. Tentative concept would be Pal 2 / Bard 12 / Ninja 6, though not in such a clean progression order as that. :) Kinda requires a common sense houserule that you can take master Tricks with Advanced Rogue Talent to be worth going so far in Archaeologist, though. [/QUOTE]
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