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<blockquote data-quote="Ferghis" data-source="post: 5592937" data-attributes="member: 40483">I have to admit that damage is not at the front of my mind when I'm building a brawler, even though I like punishing fighters. Still, the problem is that brawler builds tend to be more feat starved than most, to make their grabs last longer (which is more important than damage). Focusing on bonuses to hit and pumping fortitude takes a lot of feats, along with the mandatory builds that keep it generally competitive. I'll post my build later to discuss them, but I didn't have room for quite a few from my list, let alone many of the ones you mention.Let alone throwing your unarmed attacks. Not sure that passes the sniff test.I don't understand where you get the proficiency bonus. The non-monk unarmed attack is explicitly listed as an improvised attack in the glossary, and therefore shouldn't gain a proficiency bonus, unless it says otherwise elsewhere. The brawler features are:+1 bonus to AC+2 bonus to Fortitude+2 enhancement bonus to the attack rolls of unarmed attacks (increase to +4 at 11th level and +6 at 21st level)+2 bonus to the attack rolls of grab attacks and attacks to move a creature you’re grabbing. +4 at 11th level and +6 at 21st level.Where are you guys seeing a proficiency bonus?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ferghis, post: 5592937, member: 40483"] I have to admit that damage is not at the front of my mind when I'm building a brawler, even though I like punishing fighters. Still, the problem is that brawler builds tend to be more feat starved than most, to make their grabs last longer (which is more important than damage). Focusing on bonuses to hit and pumping fortitude takes a lot of feats, along with the mandatory builds that keep it generally competitive. I'll post my build later to discuss them, but I didn't have room for quite a few from my list, let alone many of the ones you mention. Let alone throwing your unarmed attacks. Not sure that passes the sniff test. I don't understand where you get the proficiency bonus. The non-monk unarmed attack is explicitly listed as an improvised attack in the glossary, and therefore shouldn't gain a proficiency bonus, unless it says otherwise elsewhere. The brawler features are: +1 bonus to AC +2 bonus to Fortitude +2 enhancement bonus to the attack rolls of unarmed attacks (increase to +4 at 11th level and +6 at 21st level) +2 bonus to the attack rolls of grab attacks and attacks to move a creature you’re grabbing. +4 at 11th level and +6 at 21st level. Where are you guys seeing a proficiency bonus? [/QUOTE]

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