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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5126763" data-attributes="member: 22779">Now, if we're going to include &quot;bunker&quot; in our definition of castle, things get a bit difficult to talk about.&nbsp; After all, is a cave in the ground fortified by whatevers, really a &quot;castle&quot; anymore?&nbsp; In my mind, when someone mentions castle, I'm thinking high walls, towers, bailleys that sort of thing.&nbsp; The Citadel in Halifax, Nova Scotia is a modern adaptation of a castle (and something that IMO, would likely happen to fantasy castles) but I'm not sure I'd call it an actual castle as such.Well, ignoring for a second the edition specific rules, if you kill everyone in the castle, other than a few nobles, I'm thinking they'll be pretty unhappy.&nbsp; Considering in 1e the vast majority of defenders of a castle would be 0 level, wiping out the zero levels is a pretty serious deal.&nbsp; And, in 3e, take a look at the damage brown mold does.&nbsp; That's certainly a larger threat than to just 1st level characters.But, I agree, it would likely be more Minas Turith and less Helm's Deep.&nbsp; Helm's deep was a pretty much standard siege - not many flying/burrowing/teleporting/powered creatures.&nbsp; Isengard is a good model too.&nbsp; Treants would be fantastically deadly with their ability to animate forests.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 5126763, member: 22779"] Now, if we're going to include "bunker" in our definition of castle, things get a bit difficult to talk about. After all, is a cave in the ground fortified by whatevers, really a "castle" anymore? In my mind, when someone mentions castle, I'm thinking high walls, towers, bailleys that sort of thing. The Citadel in Halifax, Nova Scotia is a modern adaptation of a castle (and something that IMO, would likely happen to fantasy castles) but I'm not sure I'd call it an actual castle as such. Well, ignoring for a second the edition specific rules, if you kill everyone in the castle, other than a few nobles, I'm thinking they'll be pretty unhappy. Considering in 1e the vast majority of defenders of a castle would be 0 level, wiping out the zero levels is a pretty serious deal. And, in 3e, take a look at the damage brown mold does. That's certainly a larger threat than to just 1st level characters. But, I agree, it would likely be more Minas Turith and less Helm's Deep. Helm's deep was a pretty much standard siege - not many flying/burrowing/teleporting/powered creatures. Isengard is a good model too. Treants would be fantastically deadly with their ability to animate forests. [/QUOTE]

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