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<blockquote data-quote="UngainlyTitan" data-source="post: 5145529" data-attributes="member: 28487"><p>Ok, after some tootling about on google and Wikipedia I found <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothesay_Castle" target="_blank">Rothesay Castle</a> in Scotland which had a simple (albiet atypical) design but it gave the diameter as 43 meters any way this gives slightly over 200 meters of curtain wall.</p><p>So lets say 700 feet of curtain wall and this translates into 140 squares as a reasonable size for a small fort. </p><p>Now Earthen Ramparts raises 2 squares of earth wall 2 squares high in 10 minutes. Lets suppose that you can do it twice on the same patch of ground to get a 20 foot high wall section. This would have been pretty typical of Roman forts. </p><p>So 700ft = 140 sq. = 70 rituals x 2 to get a twenty foot outer wall.</p><p>at 80gp a pop that is 11,200gp for a basic curtain wall in about a day. </p><p>Hammer in stakes and cut thorn bushes in and you have a pertty good defensive position in a very short time. It is better than what a Roman legion would knock together in a couple of hours but it does cost a bit.</p><p>Of course it offers nothing against flyers but it would be pretty good against climbers and earth will absort the impact of giant hurled stones better than stone and with less damage to the defenders. </p><p>Quite a few of the star forts were based on earth embankments especially the Dutch ones if memory serves and the outer facing could be stone faces at very little cost or effort.</p><p></p><p>Now another interesting ritual is Mordenkainen's Joining, it joins two bits of non-living material in a seamless boundary. 50gp per casting and 10 minutes to cast.</p><p></p><p>So if I was building a fort in D&D land then I would use Earthen Rampards to create a curtain wall 10 feet thick and 20 high with a vertical slope on both sides. Then I would face both sides with large sheets of stone and fuse that together with Mordenkainen's Joining. Against that I would enclose the entire inner area with very think floors making liberal use of arches, columns and barrel vaulting. The roof would have lots of tall stone spikes to make flying difficult near the roof but more importantly to direct any flight close enough to employ the breath weapon along certain paths and then create the defensive openings so that the maximum output of fire would be into those paths. </p><p>Also any possible landing area should be kill zones.</p><p>BTW, I estimate that you could face the curtain wall for 175,000 gp.</p><p></p><p>Disclaimer, I did not get much sleep last night and all this is pretty back of envelope stuff but a decent curtain wall for less than 400,000 in less than a month is pretty good value for money.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="UngainlyTitan, post: 5145529, member: 28487"] Ok, after some tootling about on google and Wikipedia I found [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothesay_Castle"]Rothesay Castle[/URL] in Scotland which had a simple (albiet atypical) design but it gave the diameter as 43 meters any way this gives slightly over 200 meters of curtain wall. So lets say 700 feet of curtain wall and this translates into 140 squares as a reasonable size for a small fort. Now Earthen Ramparts raises 2 squares of earth wall 2 squares high in 10 minutes. Lets suppose that you can do it twice on the same patch of ground to get a 20 foot high wall section. This would have been pretty typical of Roman forts. So 700ft = 140 sq. = 70 rituals x 2 to get a twenty foot outer wall. at 80gp a pop that is 11,200gp for a basic curtain wall in about a day. Hammer in stakes and cut thorn bushes in and you have a pertty good defensive position in a very short time. It is better than what a Roman legion would knock together in a couple of hours but it does cost a bit. Of course it offers nothing against flyers but it would be pretty good against climbers and earth will absort the impact of giant hurled stones better than stone and with less damage to the defenders. Quite a few of the star forts were based on earth embankments especially the Dutch ones if memory serves and the outer facing could be stone faces at very little cost or effort. Now another interesting ritual is Mordenkainen's Joining, it joins two bits of non-living material in a seamless boundary. 50gp per casting and 10 minutes to cast. So if I was building a fort in D&D land then I would use Earthen Rampards to create a curtain wall 10 feet thick and 20 high with a vertical slope on both sides. Then I would face both sides with large sheets of stone and fuse that together with Mordenkainen's Joining. Against that I would enclose the entire inner area with very think floors making liberal use of arches, columns and barrel vaulting. The roof would have lots of tall stone spikes to make flying difficult near the roof but more importantly to direct any flight close enough to employ the breath weapon along certain paths and then create the defensive openings so that the maximum output of fire would be into those paths. Also any possible landing area should be kill zones. BTW, I estimate that you could face the curtain wall for 175,000 gp. Disclaimer, I did not get much sleep last night and all this is pretty back of envelope stuff but a decent curtain wall for less than 400,000 in less than a month is pretty good value for money. [/QUOTE]
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