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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arrowhawk" data-source="post: 5699343" data-attributes="member: 6679551">A friend and I are co-DMing a Faerun 3.5 campaign.  Immersion is a big thing for him.  We had a situation where we had to go buy some 1st level scrolls and naturally wanted ones cast by the highest caster we could find.  The DM decides that people don't know what levels are and gave us the blank stare.I won't go into the rationale on either side, but I'm curious what others do in their campaigns.  Sure, HP's, BAB bonus, Skill modifiers are all metagame, but do people treat class levels as being metagame as well?I'm also curious if people who played 1e remember that all classes had labels for each level e.g. Footpad, Acolyte, Strider, Prestigitator, etc.   Did anyone think those labels were metagame and unknown to the actual characters?EDIT:Let me ask a third/fourth questions:Is there anything in the game that specifically says or suggests characters don't know when they advance a level or that they level?  Another way to put this is to ask whether characters knowing their level is actually intended to be part of how the game is played e.g.  Wizard's knowing which spells are 1st level and which are 2nd level.</blockquote>