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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 5699505" data-attributes="member: 6669384">Spell casters will know what level of spell they can cast, and in game we talk about some Wizard being a &quot;master of the 5th circle&quot;, meaning that he can cast 5h level spells (we avoid the term &quot;level&quot; in game).Other classes lack that easy and objective metric, so nothing like it is ever really employed in game at our table.&nbsp; And because of the level limit on spells cast based on ability score, it's quite possible to be a very high level caster, but never measure up that way when it comes to comparing which &quot;circle&quot; of spell you can throw.In our last campaign (the one where 9th level spells were removed from the game world), my Wizard was talking to the leader of a group of Red Mages.He noted that I wasn't a specialized Mage, nor a member of his order, so he asked, &quot;What rank of apprentice are you?&quot;My character replied, &quot;Well, I can cast to the 8th circle, and can enhance spells beyond that.&quot;The Red Mage master was shocked.&nbsp; &quot;So, you're an Arch Mage?&quot;, he asked in surprise.&quot;Yes, and yet I am still a student, seeking to learn more.&quot;In that scene we had to tip-toe around the meta-game information, wording it carefully so I could tell their master that my character was at least 17th level, and pretty much his equal.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 5699505, member: 6669384"] Spell casters will know what level of spell they can cast, and in game we talk about some Wizard being a "master of the 5th circle", meaning that he can cast 5h level spells (we avoid the term "level" in game). Other classes lack that easy and objective metric, so nothing like it is ever really employed in game at our table. And because of the level limit on spells cast based on ability score, it's quite possible to be a very high level caster, but never measure up that way when it comes to comparing which "circle" of spell you can throw. In our last campaign (the one where 9th level spells were removed from the game world), my Wizard was talking to the leader of a group of Red Mages. He noted that I wasn't a specialized Mage, nor a member of his order, so he asked, "What rank of apprentice are you?" My character replied, "Well, I can cast to the 8th circle, and can enhance spells beyond that." The Red Mage master was shocked. "So, you're an Arch Mage?", he asked in surprise. "Yes, and yet I am still a student, seeking to learn more." In that scene we had to tip-toe around the meta-game information, wording it carefully so I could tell their master that my character was at least 17th level, and pretty much his equal. [/QUOTE]

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