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<blockquote data-quote="empireofchaos" data-source="post: 6762422" data-attributes="member: 6800918"><p>Yup - those are the magic words. If it fits into the setting, if player and DM agree, we have no issues. It's when it doesn't and we don't...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It <strong>can</strong> be a mix - again, it depends on setting. Maybe I'm a fighter in a South-Asian-flavored game. As someone trained in combat, I belong to the Kshatriya caste, or <em>varna</em>. Do I always think of myself in terms of caste? No. But it's not something foreign to me. The point is, some would rather classes tend toward this kind of situation (which is an extreme case, but useful for illustration). And some would rather shunt class completely from the field of awareness of characters.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, this style of reskinning is really just another extreme case. "Awareness" of any metagame feature is so foreign to me (as this hypothetical player), that I simply pick and choose between different class and race mechanics, and then always/frequently invent a new fluff for them. My issue is - is it more about me being a really inventive role-player, or is it more fundamentally about me being driven by the crunch?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But that's precisely the point I'm making above. What you are defining as reality in this situation is the underlying metagame crunch - the race I initially selected, which is really, fundamentally me. But why is the fluffy story of my self-discovery as a half-elf who is now learning to use "racial" traits, not the fundamental reality here? How does my picking a racial feat at 4th level fundamentally differ from my picking a "Lucky" or "Perceptive" feat, because I have suddenly discovered that I am those things? And is it really so important whether a completely objective observer somewhere could prove that "really" I had elf-blood when I was born, as opposed to my entirely non-elven character beginning to feel like an elf for some reason, and wanting to select a game mechanic to express that feeling?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="empireofchaos, post: 6762422, member: 6800918"] Yup - those are the magic words. If it fits into the setting, if player and DM agree, we have no issues. It's when it doesn't and we don't... It [B]can[/B] be a mix - again, it depends on setting. Maybe I'm a fighter in a South-Asian-flavored game. As someone trained in combat, I belong to the Kshatriya caste, or [I]varna[/I]. Do I always think of myself in terms of caste? No. But it's not something foreign to me. The point is, some would rather classes tend toward this kind of situation (which is an extreme case, but useful for illustration). And some would rather shunt class completely from the field of awareness of characters. Well, this style of reskinning is really just another extreme case. "Awareness" of any metagame feature is so foreign to me (as this hypothetical player), that I simply pick and choose between different class and race mechanics, and then always/frequently invent a new fluff for them. My issue is - is it more about me being a really inventive role-player, or is it more fundamentally about me being driven by the crunch? But that's precisely the point I'm making above. What you are defining as reality in this situation is the underlying metagame crunch - the race I initially selected, which is really, fundamentally me. But why is the fluffy story of my self-discovery as a half-elf who is now learning to use "racial" traits, not the fundamental reality here? How does my picking a racial feat at 4th level fundamentally differ from my picking a "Lucky" or "Perceptive" feat, because I have suddenly discovered that I am those things? And is it really so important whether a completely objective observer somewhere could prove that "really" I had elf-blood when I was born, as opposed to my entirely non-elven character beginning to feel like an elf for some reason, and wanting to select a game mechanic to express that feeling? [/QUOTE]
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