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<blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 6762706" data-attributes="member: 7635"><p>But that's the thing with refluffing; what is that line? Where does it begin our end? </p><p></p><p>I vaguely remember a debate in the early 3e/4e edition wars where someone was complaining about unlimited magic missile cantrips. I don't remember if they were complaining that 4e wizards got unlimited mms, or if 3e wizards didn't, but the solution proposed was "refluff the mm as a crossbow bolt" or "refluff the crossbow as magical zaps" (this was pre-errata, where mm had a to-hit roll). </p><p></p><p>Now, that might sound like a solution to someone, but all I saw were corner cases: DR, SR, Resistances, interaction with incorporeal, anti-magic, etc, etc. A wizard shooting mm pretending to be a crossbow (or vice versa) absolutely destroys whatever meaning those words have. I similarly face-palmed when 3e's dmg2 suggested using other races but refluffing them human in campaigns without demihumans (a lot of humans can see in the dark, apparently). </p><p></p><p>Humans are human. Dwarves are dwarves. Crossbows are not spells, a magic missile is not a crossbow bolt. Greatswords are not shortswords, chainmail is not leather, and fighters are not rogues. </p><p></p><p>I'm already playing pretend. I will not pretend my pretend thing is something else.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Remathilis, post: 6762706, member: 7635"] But that's the thing with refluffing; what is that line? Where does it begin our end? I vaguely remember a debate in the early 3e/4e edition wars where someone was complaining about unlimited magic missile cantrips. I don't remember if they were complaining that 4e wizards got unlimited mms, or if 3e wizards didn't, but the solution proposed was "refluff the mm as a crossbow bolt" or "refluff the crossbow as magical zaps" (this was pre-errata, where mm had a to-hit roll). Now, that might sound like a solution to someone, but all I saw were corner cases: DR, SR, Resistances, interaction with incorporeal, anti-magic, etc, etc. A wizard shooting mm pretending to be a crossbow (or vice versa) absolutely destroys whatever meaning those words have. I similarly face-palmed when 3e's dmg2 suggested using other races but refluffing them human in campaigns without demihumans (a lot of humans can see in the dark, apparently). Humans are human. Dwarves are dwarves. Crossbows are not spells, a magic missile is not a crossbow bolt. Greatswords are not shortswords, chainmail is not leather, and fighters are not rogues. I'm already playing pretend. I will not pretend my pretend thing is something else. [/QUOTE]
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