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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Greg K" data-source="post: 6764081" data-attributes="member: 5038">Sorry. You are reaching. Try again. The DM having established control of the setting and fluff prior to play does not mean the players have no creative control once actual play begins.  Once play begins, my players direct the flow of the game. And even before that, they have control by creating backgrounds that fit within the set parameters (e.g., existing pc races, cultures, deities (including domains and tenets, etc., existing classes).  My only limitations after play begins are a) don't be evil (I won't run for evil characters) and b) there are certain parameters that can't be changed (e.g., the only outer planes are the spirit world, a heaven plane, a hell and/or abyss plane, and the fey world) .  Otherwise characters have free reign to chase their characters goals, change the world through their actions. I have had players  establish and bring down corrupt NPCs, become heads of major organizations, and rulers of clans.  However, they did by keeping within established fluff of the world and its cultures when creating their backgrounds and then pursuing their goals. I have also had players start a civil war, turn what were supposed to be one-shot minor NPCs into major plotlines and enemies, ditch midadventure certain plotines they established and were pursuing for entirely new ones.  Hell if they want to become bakers and run a bakery, I will run it, because it is possible within the setting.So, please tell me again how my players have no influence and that I am writing fanfic by establishing the setting and its fluff .</blockquote>

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