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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6780671" data-attributes="member: 82106">Again, though, just as a long-time player I don't see ANY precedent that PCs or NPCs are aware of class. I mean you can call Michael Jordan an 'Athlete' and say that's his profession, but does that make him the same as my friend who does Triathlon? They're both Athletes, maybe you could call that a 'class' in some sense. One is a professional basketball player, which is certainly a career, and the other is a management consultant who has a fitness bug and likes to run/swim/etc. The game world, I would imagine, is much the same. Many different sorts of people might be modeled by the class mechanics of a 'fighter', but that doesn't mean they're all considered to be related to any degree in narrative game terms. Certainly the Guard Sargeant and the Heroic Goblin Slaying Champion both know how to wield a sword and narratively that might get the recognized as akin in some way, and even perhaps they can accomplish some of the same tasks, and benefit from some of the same magic. Its nowhere clear in what I've said that they share a class. One might be a fighter, the other a non-classed 'veteran man-at-arms'. One might be a ranger, mechanically, or a barbarian, or whatever. All of those possibilities could be given the same titles and seen as having the same career, they could all answer the same want ad for a henchman, or provide training to a PC. So, I don't see any class-centeredness that was exchanged. I think the tools for NPCs got a lot more flexible and easier to use in 4e, which lead to not using the PC rules for them anymore, and that may affect your outlook on it, but nothing I can see in the game, and none of my experience in play, says to me that D&D was meant to be, or that it normally was, a game where characters went around saying they were a certain class.</blockquote>

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