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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 6781203" data-attributes="member: 7635">The Miller isn't a Druid, even if he follows the Old Faith. He's a miller. Nobody goes to him when the wolves are getting too numerous, the crops need a storm to grow, or orcs are despoiling the forest. They go to a Druid. The Druid is trained in the ancient arts of the Faith. He has magic, he can shapechange. He was trained by another druid. He belongs to an ancient order of people who was trained in the same way he was. They share a common language, a common set of skills, and a belief. The miller or the knight is just a miller or knight that follows a particular faith, they aren't DRUIDS in terms of the world or game any more than I can become a minister and claim I'm the Pope. Yeah, not a selling point. I remember in the very first 4e game I ran (Into the Shadowhaunt), there is a wizard at the end with some cool spells (one I remember was called Bone-Wearying Gaze, which weakened you). Now, I had a PC wizard at the time who thought it was a cool spell and, like wizards of yore, wanted to steal and learn that spell. I had to tell him that spell was "NPC only" and he couldn't learn it. It was the first time I ever told a PC that NPCs and PCs played by different rules IN WORLD as well as IN GAME. Oh, a Holy Order might contain Fighters, Paladins, and Clerics, but they all don't call themselves PALADINS. That is like every person in a hospital calling themselves a doctor. A doctor has a certain set of skills and responsibilities, you can't have nurses, techs and aides doing a doctor's job. A nurse doesn't get to call himself a doctor, he doesn't have the training. I doesn't matter that they're all there to heal the sick and injured, they aren't all doctors and they don't get that title. The warlock joins a wizard guild and realizes he has nothing to add or need when they all discuss swapping spell research and copying spells in their spellbooks and all he's there doing is drinking their mead. Fighter's rangers, and rogues all join a Holy Order and then are kicked out because they aren't adhering to the Code of Conduct a Paladin must. A cleric of the god of theft might be closely aligned with a thieves guild, but he's not sent out to do pick pockets or burgle houses. An avenger might have been a noble in his background, but he had to swear an oath of vengeance and train as a paladin. You can have flexibility and still have the classes mean something.</blockquote>

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