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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arial Black" data-source="post: 6783149" data-attributes="member: 6799649">The point of this was to challenge the assertion that 'class is real in game'.Since you can use any fantasy novel as a setting for your game, and since the setting never had D&D rules affecting it before you decided to use that setting, then D&D classes were definitely not real before you chose to set your game there. At the moment you start, do D&D classes become real things that characters can discuss? How? By what mechanism?You could even choose a period of history or legend to set your D&D game. How about the Trojan War, including the Greek gods. How do you stat up Achilles? Odysseus? Heracles?Is Heracles a barbarian or a fighter? However you choose to model him, someone else could have chosen a different class. In Deities & Demigods the author made his own choices, based on 1st ed rules (and breaking them liberally when he wanted to).Let's say you choose barbarian. Is 'barbarian' now a real thing about him that can be talked about? Well, apart from the fact that the word 'barbarian' literally means a person that cannot speak Greek?What if you choose paladin? An odd choice, but would that be 'real'?The characters are what they are, and don't care (and more crucially cannot know) which D&D stats will be given to them by gamers in 3000 years! The things we decide cannot be 'real' for them; we are just using the rules we have to help us use those people in our game.So, no, Achilles and Odysseus cannot discuss what D&D class they are! D&D class is not real!</blockquote>

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