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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6785637" data-attributes="member: 82106">hehehe, yeah, I miss 4e too. (Well, I don't, I just keep playing it). I think one of the main forces working to break down the class concept in D&D is exactly all of this. The authors of 3e saw that the authors of 2e tried to create a 'kit' to describe every possible variation of concept of character, but it was impossible. So they went further and they invented ala-carte MCing plus PrCs, and then 4e invented backgrounds and themes, and PPs and EDs, etc. PF takes 3.x even further so that class is really pretty much meaningless in that game (though you could of course still play a basic fighter). 4e is much the same, you can play a basic fighter that's pretty generic, but given the lack of NPC class in 4e I don't think we really NEED a suite of classes anymore just for that. I was sorry to see 5e seem to regress in the provision of those tools. Its one reason I really don't care to DM it.</blockquote>