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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 4448289" data-attributes="member: 71571">If a power has an effect that applies a condition, then the power's duration determines the effect's duration, which determines the condition's duration.If an effect has (save ends) then it is considered to have a Conditional Duration.  The durations of all conditional duration powers are considered separately.  The effect with the most time remaining is the one that you save last against, as the duration is unknown.The other interpretation is that because the duration is unknown this text cannot apply to it, and you end up with the same conclusion, that each effect is tracked seperately.If you end the duration of one power, you've not necessarily satisfied the condition for the termination of the other power's duration.Any argument for or against that does not include consideration of Conditional Duration powers is not looking at the whole picture.</blockquote>