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Do creatures called via Gate count as Summoned or Conjured?
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<blockquote data-quote="Christian" data-source="post: 288372" data-attributes="member: 381"><p>That's certainly evocative, but it's not supported by the text of the Protection, Magic Circle, or [Un]Hallow spells.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Let me make sure I understand ... you're complaining that Magic Circle ought to prevent summoning/calling entirely within it's area of effect, then complaining that applying this consistently is too powerful and should be restricted. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes :rolleyes:" data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /></p><p></p><p>Protection from Evil does not 'trump' the Gate spell, or any other summoning spell. It's great against Summon Monster I, and to some extent against higher-level Summon Monster spells, as long as nothing called up is armed. Magic Circle is useful for Lesser Planar Binding (but I sure wouldn't rely on it too much for higher-level spells in that series). But if you think that your 1st level wizard's Protection from Evil is going to keep him safe from the Pit Fiend that was just Gated in, you really need to read the SR rules again, not to mention the monster description ...</p><p></p><p>Yes, the 'summoned' term is redundant. But if the spell only applies to summoned creatures, the 'conjured' term is flat-out <em>wrong</em>. I'd prefer to treat the rules as redundant rather than wrong, especially in the Rules forum.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Christian, post: 288372, member: 381"] That's certainly evocative, but it's not supported by the text of the Protection, Magic Circle, or [Un]Hallow spells. [b][/B] Let me make sure I understand ... you're complaining that Magic Circle ought to prevent summoning/calling entirely within it's area of effect, then complaining that applying this consistently is too powerful and should be restricted. :rolleyes: Protection from Evil does not 'trump' the Gate spell, or any other summoning spell. It's great against Summon Monster I, and to some extent against higher-level Summon Monster spells, as long as nothing called up is armed. Magic Circle is useful for Lesser Planar Binding (but I sure wouldn't rely on it too much for higher-level spells in that series). But if you think that your 1st level wizard's Protection from Evil is going to keep him safe from the Pit Fiend that was just Gated in, you really need to read the SR rules again, not to mention the monster description ... Yes, the 'summoned' term is redundant. But if the spell only applies to summoned creatures, the 'conjured' term is flat-out [i]wrong[/i]. I'd prefer to treat the rules as redundant rather than wrong, especially in the Rules forum. [/QUOTE]
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