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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6573596" data-attributes="member: 6787650"><p>I'm a software developer, so when I illustrate a problem I try to give you a simple illustration with as few variables as possible. But don't read that as a concession that the issue <em>only</em> occurs in examples that are easy to describe in two sentences--the essential character of the example doesn't change if you make it fighter/rogue/cleric/mage. In either case, the level 5 party and the level 8 party will do about as well as each other due to Banshees not caring about hit points and being glass cannons. The only real thing the 8th level party could do that the 5th level party can't is take feats like Lucky/Resilient (Con).</p><p></p><p>If someone wants to show that an 8th level party really can handle twice as much Banshee as a 5th level party, be my guest.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Multiplying an arbitrary and meaningless number by a precisely-calculated multiplier still yields an arbitrary number though. "Officially", 6 simultaneous Banshees is only an Easy encounter for 12 8th level PCs. Officially, they're supposed to be able to handle 7 of those encounters per adventuring day. Do you think it would work out that way? I don't.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">It's true that the Banshee is atypical, and that's the real point: CR is basically just mean of the 3/2 power of DPR and HP. For any monster that is more than a sack of HP with damage attached, CR will fail to measure what makes the monster interesting. That's why Intellect Devourers are infamous.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 6573596, member: 6787650"] I'm a software developer, so when I illustrate a problem I try to give you a simple illustration with as few variables as possible. But don't read that as a concession that the issue [I]only[/I] occurs in examples that are easy to describe in two sentences--the essential character of the example doesn't change if you make it fighter/rogue/cleric/mage. In either case, the level 5 party and the level 8 party will do about as well as each other due to Banshees not caring about hit points and being glass cannons. The only real thing the 8th level party could do that the 5th level party can't is take feats like Lucky/Resilient (Con). If someone wants to show that an 8th level party really can handle twice as much Banshee as a 5th level party, be my guest. [COLOR=#000000] Multiplying an arbitrary and meaningless number by a precisely-calculated multiplier still yields an arbitrary number though. "Officially", 6 simultaneous Banshees is only an Easy encounter for 12 8th level PCs. Officially, they're supposed to be able to handle 7 of those encounters per adventuring day. Do you think it would work out that way? I don't. It's true that the Banshee is atypical, and that's the real point: CR is basically just mean of the 3/2 power of DPR and HP. For any monster that is more than a sack of HP with damage attached, CR will fail to measure what makes the monster interesting. That's why Intellect Devourers are infamous. [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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