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Do Diviners make sense as PCs?
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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3152277" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>I do not understand this concept outside of metagaming.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Typically, the PCs have a horrendous time finding out tactics of enemies. Sometimes it is because they do not know who their enemies are, or where to find them, or by the time they find out who they are, they are already fighting them, etc.</p><p></p><p>Unless the DM drops clues like gumdrops, all of the campaigns I have been in required that the PCs work hard in order to acquire significant knowledge like BBEG tactics.</p><p></p><p>Even then, I cannot recall a single session where significant BBEG tactics were actually discovered (the BBEG lives in a fortress with xyz defenses, etc.).</p><p></p><p>So, if the PCs often have an extremely difficult time discovering the tactics of the BBEG, how is it that the PC tactics so easily become common knowledge?</p><p></p><p>I suspect this is more the DM knows the PC tactics and arranges for a BBEG to have counters for them (i.e. the DM is lazy or "cheats") than the BBEG actually was designed to spend massive resources to investigate the PCs ahead of time (even before he knew they were after him) and figure out their tactics.</p><p></p><p>Logically, this just does not make sense. But, I see this type of thing written here and on other boards quite often that PC tactics become common knowledge, but I just do not understand the logic behind it.</p><p></p><p>Does every BBEG in your campaign world have massive spy networks or some such? Is the divination magic of the NPCs better than the PCs? If so, why do the PCs usually win?</p><p></p><p>Or is it just that DMs often automatically (consciously or subconsciously) react to PC tactics, even when the NPCs should have no clue as to what the PCs normally do?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 3152277, member: 2011"] I do not understand this concept outside of metagaming. Typically, the PCs have a horrendous time finding out tactics of enemies. Sometimes it is because they do not know who their enemies are, or where to find them, or by the time they find out who they are, they are already fighting them, etc. Unless the DM drops clues like gumdrops, all of the campaigns I have been in required that the PCs work hard in order to acquire significant knowledge like BBEG tactics. Even then, I cannot recall a single session where significant BBEG tactics were actually discovered (the BBEG lives in a fortress with xyz defenses, etc.). So, if the PCs often have an extremely difficult time discovering the tactics of the BBEG, how is it that the PC tactics so easily become common knowledge? I suspect this is more the DM knows the PC tactics and arranges for a BBEG to have counters for them (i.e. the DM is lazy or "cheats") than the BBEG actually was designed to spend massive resources to investigate the PCs ahead of time (even before he knew they were after him) and figure out their tactics. Logically, this just does not make sense. But, I see this type of thing written here and on other boards quite often that PC tactics become common knowledge, but I just do not understand the logic behind it. Does every BBEG in your campaign world have massive spy networks or some such? Is the divination magic of the NPCs better than the PCs? If so, why do the PCs usually win? Or is it just that DMs often automatically (consciously or subconsciously) react to PC tactics, even when the NPCs should have no clue as to what the PCs normally do? [/QUOTE]
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