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<blockquote data-quote="shoak1" data-source="post: 6919568" data-attributes="member: 54380">My analysis is specific to GWM, so your sharpshooter/archery style example is not really relevant - I am not suggesting SS is not OP, just GWM.As for GWM, I already addressed your point when I said &quot;In order for it to be a factor, you would have to have so many buffs that your target to hit # goes below 5 WHEN GWM is on, something that shouldn't really ever happen in a competitive game.&quot;&nbsp; Your level 8 guy w/GWM would likely only have +8 to hit.&nbsp; But the typical AC he should be facing at that level is 16 as per DMG.&nbsp; So unless he gets more than +6 in buffs, or fights a lot of AC9 or less monsters, or some combination thereof, he's not gonna hit the floor except rarely.&nbsp; Is it possible?&nbsp; Sure - but if it happens more than rarely your DM should be giving you better challenges.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="shoak1, post: 6919568, member: 54380"] My analysis is specific to GWM, so your sharpshooter/archery style example is not really relevant - I am not suggesting SS is not OP, just GWM. As for GWM, I already addressed your point when I said "[COLOR=#000000]In order for it to be a factor, you would have to have so many buffs that your target to hit # goes below 5 WHEN GWM is on, something that shouldn't really ever happen in a competitive game.[/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]" Your level 8 guy w/GWM would likely only have +8 to hit. But the typical AC he should be facing at that level is 16 as per DMG. So unless he gets more than +6 in buffs, or fights a lot of AC9 or less monsters, or some combination thereof, he's not gonna hit the floor except rarely. Is it possible? Sure - but if it happens more than rarely your DM should be giving you better challenges. [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]

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