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Message: <blockquote data-quote="shoak1" data-source="post: 6919842" data-attributes="member: 54380">Let's see if I can play peacemaker here lol.  Corwin: Ovinomancer simply pointed out that there is a floor beyond which it is possible to get special synergy between GWM/SS and buffs. An archer at 5th level w/a +10 to hit is not uncommon at my table and an Owlbear is CR 3 and has AC13.  His point re. a floor is a valid one, and he believes that floor to be in relatively easy reach.  However, as you are trying to say (and I agree), the likelihood of this threshold being reached is debatable (more easily debatable imo w/GWM than SS).....so:Ovinomancer:  Mobs w/ACs of less than 12 tend to be low hp, low CR dudes - the kind that a party would typically (at my table) face only in large groups if at 5th level (or else it would be little challenge) - and these mobs are probably more appropriately dealt w/using AOE than using 1 target dps personnel.  Sure there are exceptions, but perusing the monster manual and examining the expected AC at L5 in the DMG (AC 14) shows that they are the exception rather than the rule.To both of you:  So what is the likelihood of this occurring?  It depends on your table.  At my table, I almost invariably use tougher mobs, and when I don't, my players will trash the opposition irregardless of tactics/feats/or anything else.  But 5e was designed to be easier than many of us like to play.  Maybe that's where the divide is.  If a guy plays at a table where fighting weak mobs is common, he's going to believe the "floor problem" is more of a problem than me or my players would.</blockquote>

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