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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Corwin" data-source="post: 6919878" data-attributes="member: 1560">There is a *theoretical* floor. One that is so white-room improbably no feat should be designed to it anyway. I've asked him repeatedly for an example. Anything. He can't/won't. Then he should be able to provide examples. Heck, one practical example at this point. But my hopes are low.The other part I'm also trying drive home, is that, in order for his theory to hold, he needs buffs and mitigators that wash the penalty away *and* maintain the bottom floor. But those factors aren't free. Even *if* you found a situation where his theory came to fruition, what generated that "automatic" +10 damage? The feat? No, the feat would have caused those two rolls of '3' and '5' to miss. The expenditure of those resources - buffs like bless and bardic inspiration - are what did the job. So how can the feat be pointed too as the "culprit"? Not only that, but those buffs are a limited resource. Would the benefactors of those buffs spent those resources on the archer if he wasn't taking that -5? Clearly not, since they offer no benefit otherwise.</blockquote>