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Do DM's feel that Sharpshooter & Great Weapon Master overpowered?
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<blockquote data-quote="AaronOfBarbaria" data-source="post: 6922461" data-attributes="member: 6701872"><p>The difference I've been discussing with you is one of connotation.</p><p></p><p>Your phrasings, such as saying that the DM is choosing to decrease the effectiveness of the feats in question, carries with them a connotation that the DM is doing something different that they normally would be doing. </p><p></p><p>My phrasing avoids that connotation, and my discussion with you on the matter has been intended to highlight that "the DM adjusts the game to make the feat less powerful" and "the feat's potency is a direct result of the monsters the DM chooses, whatever they might be" are literally and primarily the same thing, but the former also introduces another idea - that the feat's default state is something other than DM-dependent, and the DM has altered the game to make the feat DM-dependent.</p><p></p><p>Connotation is important - especially in cases like this discussion where some folks interpret the fact that the potency of these feats is DM dependent as irrelevant to how potent the feats are expected to be.</p><p></p><p>Again, connotation is important - it isn't just "some DM", it's literally any DM that could be experiencing a different average AC in their campaigns - because there is nothing in the average AC across all CRs that guarantees the average AC of any given campaign won't be noticeably different. </p><p></p><p>That you keep calling my point "trivial", nor that you find it "uninteresting", does not actually make it trivial - and it doesn't matter if you find it interesting or not, it's still a valid point.</p><p></p><p>What I stated to be false is that it is required to be <em>intent to be offsetting the power of the feat</em> in order to arrive at a selection of monsters that make the feat less powerful than it otherwise could be. That intent can be entirely absent from the DM, and the same result achieved - I know because I've done it; the feat is in use in one of my campaigns and it doesn't perform as well as other groups have reported it performing in their campaigns, and I had zero thought about how powerful I wanted the feat to be in the campaign, and thus no intent to set its power to any specific value by way of my monster choices.</p><p></p><p>If you think I've behaved inappropriately for this forum, the report button is right there at the bottom of my posts - but I will thank you not to make baseless accusations like that there is any reason I break apart quoted posts than A) to save space by omitting the less relevant portions, and B) to make it clearer what it is another poster has said to which a portion of my reply is directed to facilitate clearer conversation in a medium that is already prone to misunderstanding.</p><p></p><p>Don't judge for me what I will or won't like, that's very rude. Share your ideas, or don't - no cause to tease or threaten, whichever this may have been.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AaronOfBarbaria, post: 6922461, member: 6701872"] The difference I've been discussing with you is one of connotation. Your phrasings, such as saying that the DM is choosing to decrease the effectiveness of the feats in question, carries with them a connotation that the DM is doing something different that they normally would be doing. My phrasing avoids that connotation, and my discussion with you on the matter has been intended to highlight that "the DM adjusts the game to make the feat less powerful" and "the feat's potency is a direct result of the monsters the DM chooses, whatever they might be" are literally and primarily the same thing, but the former also introduces another idea - that the feat's default state is something other than DM-dependent, and the DM has altered the game to make the feat DM-dependent. Connotation is important - especially in cases like this discussion where some folks interpret the fact that the potency of these feats is DM dependent as irrelevant to how potent the feats are expected to be. Again, connotation is important - it isn't just "some DM", it's literally any DM that could be experiencing a different average AC in their campaigns - because there is nothing in the average AC across all CRs that guarantees the average AC of any given campaign won't be noticeably different. That you keep calling my point "trivial", nor that you find it "uninteresting", does not actually make it trivial - and it doesn't matter if you find it interesting or not, it's still a valid point. What I stated to be false is that it is required to be [I]intent to be offsetting the power of the feat[/I] in order to arrive at a selection of monsters that make the feat less powerful than it otherwise could be. That intent can be entirely absent from the DM, and the same result achieved - I know because I've done it; the feat is in use in one of my campaigns and it doesn't perform as well as other groups have reported it performing in their campaigns, and I had zero thought about how powerful I wanted the feat to be in the campaign, and thus no intent to set its power to any specific value by way of my monster choices. If you think I've behaved inappropriately for this forum, the report button is right there at the bottom of my posts - but I will thank you not to make baseless accusations like that there is any reason I break apart quoted posts than A) to save space by omitting the less relevant portions, and B) to make it clearer what it is another poster has said to which a portion of my reply is directed to facilitate clearer conversation in a medium that is already prone to misunderstanding. Don't judge for me what I will or won't like, that's very rude. Share your ideas, or don't - no cause to tease or threaten, whichever this may have been. [/QUOTE]
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