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<blockquote data-quote="Greythax" data-source="post: 197041" data-attributes="member: 4651">Ok, I am willing to accept this, I am assuming this is hidden somewhere in the PH under movement?Well, ok, but in order to grapple, you must move into the same square as your opponent.&nbsp; At the end of your action would you not still be grappleing and hence still be occupying the same square?If the only circumstance that you can occupy the same square is in a grapple, then their are rules in the PH that tell the maximum number of grapplers by size, and thus 3 is moot.&nbsp; But lets flip this around to Bull Rush, lets say that you bull rush someone into an already occupied square, what then?I am willing buy that, that's what we have been doing the whole time anyway, just curious if there was something more concrete.Ok, true, but you can also choose to &quot;move with&quot; your opponent, thereby moving him an additional 1 foot for every point by which you excede his die result on the opposed check.&nbsp; My qestion was more along the lines of, if you &quot;move with&quot; him, after having to move into his square to initiate the bull rush, would you then end up in the same square?Nope, escape artist to wriggle free is a standard action which allows you to move afterwards (that is how they word it in the last paragraph)I don't intend to come off to argumentative over this, I am just trying to get to the root of this.&nbsp; Thanks for the reply though, I really appreciate it, if you have any more thoughts, please lemme know.Greythax</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greythax, post: 197041, member: 4651"] Ok, I am willing to accept this, I am assuming this is hidden somewhere in the PH under movement? Well, ok, but in order to grapple, you must move into the same square as your opponent. At the end of your action would you not still be grappleing and hence still be occupying the same square? If the only circumstance that you can occupy the same square is in a grapple, then their are rules in the PH that tell the maximum number of grapplers by size, and thus 3 is moot. But lets flip this around to Bull Rush, lets say that you bull rush someone into an already occupied square, what then? I am willing buy that, that's what we have been doing the whole time anyway, just curious if there was something more concrete. Ok, true, but you can also choose to "move with" your opponent, thereby moving him an additional 1 foot for every point by which you excede his die result on the opposed check. My qestion was more along the lines of, if you "move with" him, after having to move into his square to initiate the bull rush, would you then end up in the same square? Nope, escape artist to wriggle free is a standard action which allows you to move afterwards (that is how they word it in the last paragraph) I don't intend to come off to argumentative over this, I am just trying to get to the root of this. Thanks for the reply though, I really appreciate it, if you have any more thoughts, please lemme know. Greythax [/QUOTE]

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