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<blockquote data-quote="FANGO" data-source="post: 197110" data-attributes="member: 2368">Okay....Yes, you can occupy the same square, thats the only way that grapple and bull rush would work (since they both contain a 'moving in' step).&nbsp; However, at the end of your movement for bull rush, I do believe you need to be in a different square, so it works nicely to push people off of cliffs.&nbsp; However, when grappling, you do need to be in the same square as the person you're grappling.&nbsp; If the creature has bigger than a 5' face, i would just consider you as taking up all of the space that the creature also takes up, and when you get out you can place yourself at any adjacent square (you also dont threaten an area while grappling, so you dont need to worry about someone threatening more area due to being grappled by a large creature).&nbsp; Also, under the bull rush section of the PHB, it does mention that if you are knocked back into a space that is occupied you fall down...so I would assume if you push someone else into a space that is occupied, they fall down too (and end up in the occupied space, prone).&nbsp; Also, keep in mind that you can pass through friendly squares during normal movement, you just cant end your move in them.Hmm, hope I answered things....</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FANGO, post: 197110, member: 2368"] Okay.... Yes, you can occupy the same square, thats the only way that grapple and bull rush would work (since they both contain a 'moving in' step). However, at the end of your movement for bull rush, I do believe you need to be in a different square, so it works nicely to push people off of cliffs. However, when grappling, you do need to be in the same square as the person you're grappling. If the creature has bigger than a 5' face, i would just consider you as taking up all of the space that the creature also takes up, and when you get out you can place yourself at any adjacent square (you also dont threaten an area while grappling, so you dont need to worry about someone threatening more area due to being grappled by a large creature). Also, under the bull rush section of the PHB, it does mention that if you are knocked back into a space that is occupied you fall down...so I would assume if you push someone else into a space that is occupied, they fall down too (and end up in the occupied space, prone). Also, keep in mind that you can pass through friendly squares during normal movement, you just cant end your move in them. Hmm, hope I answered things.... [/QUOTE]

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