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<blockquote data-quote="Greythax" data-source="post: 197529" data-attributes="member: 4651">Yah, I read that page last night after posting (p. 70, DMG).&nbsp; That information was speaking about non-combat actions, or combat actions outside normal combat sequence.&nbsp; But reading in that area does bring up question 2 again due to a foot note on page 63 (i think, don't have a book in front of me) table 3-10.&nbsp; &quot;Creatures with a 0 reach must move into the same square as their opponent to attack.&quot;&nbsp; I think this is a perfectly reasonable rule, otherwise we would open ourselves up to gnats dive bombing on every attack from 5 feet away.&nbsp; However, if one of your characters was being attacked by a cloud of gnats (up to 100 according to the table) trying to help him seems like it would incur more than a 25% chance of hitting him (if you were say, swinging a sword at the gnats)Perhaps this is one of those situations where the rules are badly incomplete.&nbsp; Fighting monsters with Improved Grab, my party is finding more and more situations where they are attacking creatures that are occupying the same square as allies.&nbsp; I guess in absence of better rules, I will go with the one from bull rush.&nbsp; Thanks for the posts everyone.Greythax</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greythax, post: 197529, member: 4651"] Yah, I read that page last night after posting (p. 70, DMG). That information was speaking about non-combat actions, or combat actions outside normal combat sequence. But reading in that area does bring up question 2 again due to a foot note on page 63 (i think, don't have a book in front of me) table 3-10. "Creatures with a 0 reach must move into the same square as their opponent to attack." I think this is a perfectly reasonable rule, otherwise we would open ourselves up to gnats dive bombing on every attack from 5 feet away. However, if one of your characters was being attacked by a cloud of gnats (up to 100 according to the table) trying to help him seems like it would incur more than a 25% chance of hitting him (if you were say, swinging a sword at the gnats) Perhaps this is one of those situations where the rules are badly incomplete. Fighting monsters with Improved Grab, my party is finding more and more situations where they are attacking creatures that are occupying the same square as allies. I guess in absence of better rules, I will go with the one from bull rush. Thanks for the posts everyone. Greythax [/QUOTE]

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