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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2662485" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>RAW does not literally support this interpretation.</p><p></p><p>RAW states that going to 0 Str makes a character helpless.</p><p></p><p>RAW states that a Shadow draining a character to 0 Str kills the character and turns him into a Shadow.</p><p></p><p>Since the Shadow only drained the character to 2 Str, according to RAW, the character is not killed. He is merely helpless when the spell expires. That is the literal interpretation of RAW.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It is not the fact that he goes to 0 Str because all of the Str was drained by the Shadow, it is the fact that the Shadow did not drain him to 0 Str, it only drained him to 2 Str.</p><p></p><p></p><p>And no, it is not a "16 STR + 2 Magical Bonus". It is an 18 STR. At that point in time, his Strength is 18.</p><p></p><p>The fact that some of his Strength comes from a spell, some comes natural, some comes from race (he might be a Halfling), some comes from Rage, etc., is totally irrelevant to the discusion. You do not walk around saying that a Halfling has a Strength of 12 with a -2 penalty to Strength. You say that he has a Strength of 10.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Let's take another example.</p><p></p><p>You are poisoned while you have a Bears Endurance spell up. You make the save because of the spell. The poison is still in you and you need to make a secondary save a minute later, but the spell expires.</p><p></p><p>You do not say that since the poison is still in his system and since his spell expired, that he in reality missed his first save because he would not have made it without the spell.</p><p></p><p>At the point in time in the game where it mattered (i.e. the poison was saved against), the save was made. Period.</p><p></p><p>At the point in time in the game where it mattered (i.e. the attacks on which the Shadow was draining his strength), the Strength was never lowered to zero. Period.</p><p></p><p></p><p>If the Shadow itself does not drain the Strength to zero with an attack, the special quality of that attack killing the PC and turning him into a Shadow does not occur.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2662485, member: 2011"] RAW does not literally support this interpretation. RAW states that going to 0 Str makes a character helpless. RAW states that a Shadow draining a character to 0 Str kills the character and turns him into a Shadow. Since the Shadow only drained the character to 2 Str, according to RAW, the character is not killed. He is merely helpless when the spell expires. That is the literal interpretation of RAW. It is not the fact that he goes to 0 Str because all of the Str was drained by the Shadow, it is the fact that the Shadow did not drain him to 0 Str, it only drained him to 2 Str. And no, it is not a "16 STR + 2 Magical Bonus". It is an 18 STR. At that point in time, his Strength is 18. The fact that some of his Strength comes from a spell, some comes natural, some comes from race (he might be a Halfling), some comes from Rage, etc., is totally irrelevant to the discusion. You do not walk around saying that a Halfling has a Strength of 12 with a -2 penalty to Strength. You say that he has a Strength of 10. Let's take another example. You are poisoned while you have a Bears Endurance spell up. You make the save because of the spell. The poison is still in you and you need to make a secondary save a minute later, but the spell expires. You do not say that since the poison is still in his system and since his spell expired, that he in reality missed his first save because he would not have made it without the spell. At the point in time in the game where it mattered (i.e. the poison was saved against), the save was made. Period. At the point in time in the game where it mattered (i.e. the attacks on which the Shadow was draining his strength), the Strength was never lowered to zero. Period. If the Shadow itself does not drain the Strength to zero with an attack, the special quality of that attack killing the PC and turning him into a Shadow does not occur. [/QUOTE]
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