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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 352538" data-attributes="member: 2011">Oh, so it is suddenly disallowed to discuss bad rules, just because my opinion differs from yours?You keep trying to imply that I am blowing off the rules, but the only rule I've discussed "blowing off" is losing the use of a feat because you lose a prerequisite. And, in fact, I am trying to use this very rule to illustrate a lack of consistency in your opinion between feats and prerequisites for PrCs (see below).Please, don't be insulting. I absolutely understand the difference. I just do not agree with your interpretation of it.Feat chains require every prerequisite under them.So, if my Dex drops below 13, I not only lose Dodge, but I lose Mobility, I lose Shot on the Run, I lose Spring Attack, etc.You can house rule that you still have the feat, but that is semantics. You've lost the feat until you gain it back. If you lose a hand, you cannot swing a weapon with that hand until you gain that hand back. If you never gain it back, then you can never use that hand. Ditto for feats. Ditto for levels. Ditto for ability scores. Ditto for anything else you lose.Your argument is that if your Dex drops, you cannot gain any new feats that require Dodge since they will also require a Dex 13+, but if a PrC requires the Dodge feat, it doesn't require Dex 13+.Hmmmm.The fact is that if you are going to extrapolate the rules, you should be consistent.There are no core rules for feats from familiars allowing either other feats or PrCs. There are no core rules for Ranger Two Weapon and Ambidexterity feats allowing either other feats or PrCs. There are no core rules for feats gained from magic allowing either other feats or PrCs. There are no core rules for if you lose the use of a feat, then you can or cannot qualify for a PrC that has that feat as a prerequisite.So, as you repeatedly remind me, this is the rules forum. So, if you extrapolate the feat rules concerning prerequisites for allowing any of these for other feats or PrCs, you should also extrapolate the feat rules concerning losing your prerequisites.If Dodge is a prerequisite, then so is Dex 13+, regardless of what the prerequisite applies to.If Dodge is a prerequisite for a PrC and your Dex <13, then you should not be allowed to take that PrC since you are missing one of the prerequisites. There should be no difference between this and picking a feat.If your Elf want to become an Arcane Archer and someone Polymorphs him into an Orc, he is missing out on the prerequisite. Just because he was an Elf at one point in time does not mean that he is able to become an Arcane Archer as an Orc.Just because you took a feat in the past does not mean that you have that feat forever. Nothing in the game is permanent. You can permanently lose feats, levels, hit points, ability scores, alignment, race, gender, etc.If your Dex is permanently dropped below 13, then you also permanently lose the Dodge feat. Saying that you only permanently lose the use of the Dodge feat is semantics. The fact remains is that you cannot do it any better than anyone else who never took the feat.Your opinion is that if you lose the use of Dodge, you can still gain a PrC. If you have the use of Alertness from your familiar, you cannot gain a PrC just because your familiar could get out of arms reach and you would lose the Alertness. That is an inconsistent position. Ditto for feats from magic items.You cannot have your cake and eat it too, unless you yourself want to "blow off the rules" (I am being facetious here, there are no rules on this stuff).</blockquote>

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