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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LokiDR" data-source="post: 352683" data-attributes="member: 6239">KarinsDad, I believe you have misunderstood me.The "virtual feat" rule is a rule.  It just isn't a core rule.  The exact result of what happens when you lose the pre reqs for a feat is a rule.  What I was saying was that I was trying to stick to a strict interpretation of those rules.By the rules, your type does not change when you are polymorphed, so that orc you refered to could become an acane archer by one interpretation of the rules.  That is what I am doing, interpreting the rules to situation they obviously didn't anticipate.The reason you lose the whole feat chain is because they all explictly require dex 13+.  From a rules stand, if it is not a requirement, it isn't something you need.  The word "dodge" is not erased, you still have the feat, you just can not use it right now.Would I say a wizard currently in an dead-magic field would not be allowed to gain a PrC that said "able to cast 3rd level spells"?  No, that is moronic.I would look at all ability gain from the standpoint of "what would this character be able to do, healed, rested, and naked with no enviroment considered?"  Perminent stat drain?  Just get a restoration.  It is only 4th level, so it is reasonable in an average game.  Whatever state you are in when you level should make no difference if you have a reasonable expection that it really isn't going to last.  Curse by the gods since birth, OK that is a different story.I am not being inconsistant.  The rules do not say you lose the feat, they say you can't use it.  When you get a stat boosting item, you don't gain an inherent bonus, so it is relatively easy to blow away.  A charater have any number of changes over a level.  Are you going to keep an average?That is my view of what the rules say.In this case, I do not agree with the rules.  Most of the games, I would allow skill points for high int through items.  It isn't a problem for me.  You want a PrC based on something that might die quickly, be my guest and don't complain when you lose all abilites of the class when your familar dies.But I don't believe this forum covers what I would do for a percieved problem.  I don't see conversations here about "how can I change this rule so it isn't so stupid", since that sounds like house rules.  Am I wrong?  There are stupid rules.  I don't want to get into a meta-forum debate, so I will just say this.  If you are offended that I told you this is the rules forum, believe me that no offense was meant by it.  I am simply trying to narrow the question from "is this stupid?" to "does this work under a strict interpretation of the rules?".If you don't like my apology, sic the moderators on me.  I don't feel I am being unreasonable.</blockquote>

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