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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MYV" data-source="post: 6729604" data-attributes="member: 6801591">having advantage means that most likely you don't need to use precision attack also to use the -5+10, and remember that you can use precision attack AFTER you have seen your roll.so in many cases the use of a trip attack grants more than one -5+10 attack, (at least one from the extra attack and one from the bonus action attack) so often 1 manouver = 2 "power attacks"about palas smiting on crits; you fist have to score a crit... and crits have a high tendency to overkill.so assuming you score a crit every 20 attacks, from lvl 5 on it means you score a crit every 10 rounds... that means that often it means you score less than 2 every short rest (that depends on playstile and resting in your campaign) and have no crontrol on when it happens.lets consider lvl 12 fighter and palas as you brought up in your examplea pala will have 3 ASI and a feat if he's humana fighter 4 ASI and a feat (human also)so fighter with sentinel, GWF and polearm master + maxed strpala with GWF +maxed out str and + 4 charisma?fighter has 4 attack every round (3+bonus from PA) + reactions from sentinel and riposte (nearly every turn)pala has 2 attacks (+1 if he crits)pala activates his channel and get + 4 to hit but loses a turnso pala power attacks each turn + improved smite + smites 5d8 twiceso pala deals (assuming everything hits) bonus dmg equal to 10+10+5+5+4,5+4,5+22,5+22,5=74 + 14 from normal dmg 98all resources used, and they don't recharge on a short restnow fighterfighter can trip on first attack or go for multiple precision strikes that he has to use ONLY if he rolls low.hes attack goes each turn with a bonus dmg equal to 10+10+10+10+5+5+5+5 + 19 from normal dmg 79but the fighter has 2 rounds cause he didn't spend a round buffing upso round 1fig 79pala 0round 2figh 158pala 98round 3 pala already used his smites fighter still has manouversfighter 237pala 141and so on.... the fighter hasn't even used action surge nor it has used any reactionsclearly we are talking about the dmg "potential" here, as there are many outside factors that can favour one or the other depending on the encounterarguably the avenger pala can max out more dmg than the fighter against ONE big guys once per short rest... but that is pretty situational and still requires the use of daily resources</blockquote>

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